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No updates since weeks

Postby simplex on Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:23 am

I got no updates since many weeks by the updater applet in the system tray.(?)

And can somebody please point me to a good explanation of the difference between update/upgrade/dist-upgrade in general and what it means especially for LMDE?

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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby bigj231 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:29 am

I'll assume you're talking about the apt-get command.

- Update updates your package index. Almost no chance of breaking your system.
- Upgrade upgrades your system, minus the kernel. Usually pretty safe. There's usually not much reason to upgrade the kernel unless something isn't working.
- Dist-upgrade upgrades everything. It also has the highest chance of breaking your system, but is still usually safe. This is what I do on my Main Edition laptop. I have completely broken it in the past by doing this.

I believe that updates for LMDE are released in "Update Packs" instead of immediately as with the main editions or Debian. If there's no update packs, then there's no updates.
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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby simplex on Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:58 am

Thank you for the fast reply.

When I decided to use LMDE for my main laptop, I was appealed by the statement that "I never have to upgrade the system again by a new install" (or something similar, dealing with a "rolling distribution").

So the question is: When do I have to do something at all?

This is more confusing to me than I thought when deciding for LMDE.

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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby Mr. B on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:39 am

LMDE works with UP's (Update Packs) most of the time, as said before and these UP's can be huge.

LMDE isn't a real, full or true rolling release... it's a so called semi- or cyclic-rolling release, due the UP's. Sometimes a few smaller updates are available, like a newer Firefox or some small mint specific updates.

Once your Update Manager is showing a blue circle with a exlamation mark in it, you know there are updates available. May it be a few updates or a UP......

You can install LMDE once, keep it up to date and if you don't mess around with your system too much, you actually shouldn't have to install it again for a long time.

So... if you kept your LMDE up to date, you won't have to do a single thing at all if it's still working well.
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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby zerozero on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:43 am

simplex wrote:And can somebody please point me to a good explanation of the difference between update/upgrade/dist-upgrade in general and what it means especially for LMDE?

viewtopic.php?f=198&t=112836
(there's a couple links in there that might be also interesting)
simplex wrote:So the question is: When do I have to do something at all?

when you are prompted to update; lmde uses update-packs, doesn't update every day >> viewtopic.php?f=197&t=91405
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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby simplex on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:23 am

Since weeks, thunderbirds pops up a window saying "new update to 17.0.4" is available. When I press the update button, nothing happens. Also the LMDE updater does not update to a newer version. How can this be explained?
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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby bigj231 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:17 am

simplex wrote:Since weeks, thunderbirds pops up a window saying "new update to 17.0.4" is available. When I press the update button, nothing happens. Also the LMDE updater does not update to a newer version. How can this be explained?

The updates are released as update packs. This includes Thunderbird and the LMDE updater. If you want to update to the latest version of thunderbird, you will have to do it manually. Or you can use Icedove from the Mozilla Debian repositories. The same is true of Firefox/Iceweasel. They are essentially the same programs with differences you won't notice in normal use.
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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby mockturtl on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:59 am

simplex wrote:Since weeks, thunderbirds pops up a window saying "new update to 17.0.4" is available. When I press the update button, nothing happens. Also the LMDE updater does not update to a newer version. How can this be explained?
Mozilla changed to a short release cycle. Firefox and Thunderbird can manage their own updates, instead of relying on distro maintainers.

I had this symptom with Thunderbird. My fix was to change the owner of the folder.

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$ sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) /opt/thunderbird
  # assuming the folder is owned by root, but needs to be owned by my user
  # perform the update, then change back
$ sudo chown -R root:root /opt/thunderbird
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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby simplex on Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:17 am

But I suppose you have to apply this fix every time Thunderbird/Firefox releases a new subversion?
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Re: No updates since weeks

Postby bigj231 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:14 pm

once you own that folder, updating FF/TB will not make you lose ownership. I would again recommend Iceweasel and Icedove if you want to use the package manager.

http://mozilla.debian.net/
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