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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby Lnx_User1 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:05 am

So, with working with a brand new fresh install of Linux Mint 13 if the installer/LiveCD from the website is not completely up to date from nose to tails then when you install and run you are going to be prompted by Update Manager to update and install certain packages. Which is what happened on my fresh install. However Update Manager seems faulty in it's execution in that it eventually fails to download items from whatever repository it is pulling from, you get some and not others. Additionally I've received notices that installing certain packages are unauthenticated and could potentially allow someone to have a field day with my system (stated with an exclamation mark no less) on packages that Updated Manager deemed trusted and safe to install. I've also had Update Manager, upon failing downloads (hash mash mis match errors and such) completely interfere with my wifi connection making it unusable for anything else. If I try and reboot my wifi connection via reconnecting my wifi dongle my system completely crashes down to a screen full of txt. Finally, by numerous attempts to receive and install packages via Update Manager I somehow managed to get broken dependencies requiring reinstallation of core files.

For any new user coming to Linux via Linux Mint all this trouble caused simply trying to update their system via Update Manager, only downloading and installing items suggested and deemed safe by Update Manager, well...Doesn't actually encourage the use of Linux as a computer operating system. I can only image the potential destructiveness that can be caused trying to update anything outside of what Update Manager has suggested and deemed safe.
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby gfarfanp on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:16 am

I came from Fedora (sad what they are doing with that distro, a lot of people is upset because the unstability of Gnome 3, changes in Nautilus, etc, and now the total recreation of Anaconda, that was the final straw for me :evil:), so I 'm fine with the "bleeding edge", means, I search for the apps if I needed them up to date and if necessary, I download the sources and compile them. :wink: I also understand when incompatibilities arise and I try to find solutions so I always ending in the end fixing whatever happen (or just deleting the app that's not working :mrgreen: ). For a newbie coming from MS Windows, Mint whit his not-up-to-date repositories look strange and not friendly (and that "friendliness" is what they were so much used to), specially if they are force to assimilate by brute force repositories-sources-ppa's-apt/apt-get and others commands (OMG! CLI in a terminal emulation for a MS Windows user!) and also the old apt vs rpm vs whatever method of installation the author(s) of the app use (classic example was Adobe Flash, that show Yum/rpm or the binaries in a tar.gz file). That's a old question, right? why is not a unique and only software installation manager for all Linuxes?
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby theo1358 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:55 am

I don't think we're getting a standard package manager any time soon :roll: There's too much argument between people who prefer deb vs rpm (although RPM is the "official" format according to LSB) People who want faster updates should just switch to rolling release distros.
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby rambo919 on Wed May 22, 2013 3:26 pm

And people wonder why the "year of Linux" never happens. Because of this windows gives people more freedom in a sick twisted way :lol: And of course there is Linux's absolute dependency of internet for installing anything including system updates which on windows autopatcher mostly saves locally just fine. Some of us do not have the luxury of fast abundant (or stable) internet like our American and European counterparts and have to store everything needed to get up and running completely offline if need be.

As someone coming from the windows way of doing things this culture of:
A- Pick a LTS and remain in semi-obscurity for x amount of years
B- Being forced to upgrade the whole system just to get new versions of software.
annoys me greatly...

I would much have preferred a option to pick a LTS and upgrade my software as needed without fear of breaking something similar to the windows way. Yes windows is reliant on service packs but that has never once broken my system the way I keep seeing upgrading does for some people with mint and it does not throw away software. I can see the sense in putting non-technical or new people in padded rooms like this but I for one have no wish to in the future having to choose between being treated like a child or thrown into the deep end.

Just my Linux virgin 2 cents.
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby fotonix on Wed May 29, 2013 6:22 am

After reading all 4 pages of this post - of which 2.5 pages are a dated rabbit trail regarding obsolete versions of Firefox - I am still left with a nagging issue.

A couple of months back I wanted to get my scanner to work with Mint. Its one of those Canons that say Windows X,y, and Z on the box - no Linux support. The app I found (not SimpleScan as I recall) that was in the repository was over 2 years old - AND flagged as unstable, run-away-form-it on the product website. A much newer version, SUPPORTING my scanner, was out since October 2011. To this day, that version is NOT in the LM repository.

BUT, the only way to install the new version from the product website demanded a build from source. As and end user, I don't have the time to hunt down 32 levels of dependencies, bits, doo-dads, libraries, compilers, resource kits, etc, etc, etc. I have a job for the machine to do - scan, and let's move the production line along.

That made me get to the point where for scanning I boot Windows and forget Linux. Pity, but surely I am not alone on the planet wanting to scan in Linux ... and besides, the problem has been solved.
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby mattadlard on Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:04 pm

It doesn't help with apps life Software Manager which do not seem to list latest versions of software and people have to jump through hoops to install new software.

One is not to bad using the terminal and am old enough to remember the old days of DOS and running commands, but its not easy for everyone and at times can be bloody frustrating trying to encourage someone to switch when they see you having to jump through hoops just to update what should be simple.
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby OzRattler on Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:01 am

Hello All!!

Forgive me as I am in a rather dark mood. Why? My Mint install breaks if I try to install the latest version of an application - say Evolution. Now why would I want to do that? Simply because E. 3.6.4 has that many bugs it is close to useless. I read the bug-fix for the more recent version and they are (for the most part) fixed. So, while I can get the source and compile, as noted by other people posting here, I am neither expert nor time rich to do that! BUT if I installed via Synpatic, broke packages.....and more time searching. (Did find the fix though but only fixed broken packages)

I did stick with Mint 9 LTS but that is now obsolete and not supported so ok, do the right thing and jump. Hello Mint 15. Bzzzzzzzzzz. Unlucky. Not worth the effort.

If Linux is to finally have an impact on the broader community using PC's, the options to more readily jump to the latest version of programmes that have had the bug addressed is a must. I (my opinion obviously) think that feature is a must. Yet it is missing.

If someone can shame me and show me where I am wrong, I will happily wear that shame.......................

Ahh. Feel better now. Until I want to install something or send an email.

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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby Statik on Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:31 am

I've been a Linux Mint user now for a couple of years, coming from Ubuntu when Unity started to rear its head. I must say, Linux Mint seems to have the best solution yet. It has given us multiple Desktop Environments to choose from and leaves us with the Ubuntu repositories as a backbone. Plus they add their own benificial repositories. Now, with the advent of PPAs, I can get the latest software versions without having to MAKE the packages myself.

I feel for the poster above with his Canon scanner. I had the same problem with my Canon printer. I originally had to download linux drivers from Asia, fix the installers, add dependancies and then do some commandline configuration to get them to work. Then I found a PPA for Canon printer drivers that got me working in two steps. The latest Mint had the drivers built in so I didn't have to do anything to get the printer and scanner working.

Windows tends to drop older hardware from new versions. Linux brings it in.

Personally, if you want the latest versions of the software, I'd suggest finding a PPA that you trust for that software. You get the updates and everything, nothing broken.

I recently went through this with LibreOffice 4.1. I downloaded and installed 4.1 from the LibreOffice website, but I got a dual install, Mint's 4.0 and the new 4.1. Then I found a PPA for LibreOffice and my Mint 4.0 was updated to 4.1!

If your software is popular, I can almost guarantee you'll find a PPA for it somewhere.

Cheers!

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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby wreckwriter on Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:39 pm

Kinda related, upgraded to 16 today, tried to backup but the backup tool still doesn't work (calculating forever) so I figured I'd install fwbackups. "The compiler can't compile executables", OK, install clang, then get "your Intltool is too old".New Intltool and now I can backup. That's 3 installs on a brand new distro for something that should work out of the box...

Add me to the rolling release wish list.
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby imcristian15 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:10 pm

Thx , that was helpfull
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby sadhu on Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:08 pm

Fred wrote:... if we could just get people to search and read before asking the same questions over and over. :-)

Yeah, well, the search feature on forums.linuxmint.com leaves something to be desired. When I want to find out something, I usually fall back on Google or DuckDuck, after trying all the combinations of words/phrases/quotation marks I can think of, using the linuxmint forum search engine.

For example, I was searching for articles on "stability" and whether I should downgrade to mint 13 LTS or stick with 15 cinnamon, because of weird errors and gliches I was experiencing. The most meaningful answer pointed me to this topic, which answered all of my questions. It would have been great if I could have found it on my own...

On the other hand, perhaps I don't know how to search properly.

On third hand, I may be a newbie to Linux, but I have two or three years of experience on a Sun SPARC workstation, running the Solaris flavour of Unix--in a corporate environment where the IT department kept things going. Nowadays, search engines are doing for me what the IT guys used to do.

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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby DrM on Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:52 am

Take for example Gnome Commander. The version of Gnome Commander in the repositories of Linux Mint 16 is version 1.2.8.15 while the latest version of this program is 1.4.x. At https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-commander/plain/NEWS you see that there are a lot of improvements since the 1.2.8.15 version had been released. At https://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-commander/1.4/gnome-commander-1.4.0.tar.xz you can download the latest version of Gnome Commander, but installing manually is rather tedious. You have to make sure that the needed additional modules and libraries have been installed, otherwise the ./configure command will report errors.

Why are the apps in Mint's repositories not updated to the latest versions and do they lag some versions behind?
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Re: Why are my applications not the latest possible version?

Postby DrM on Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:17 am

fotonix wrote:After reading all 4 pages of this post - of which 2.5 pages are a dated rabbit trail regarding obsolete versions of Firefox - I am still left with a nagging issue.

A couple of months back I wanted to get my scanner to work with Mint. Its one of those Canons that say Windows X,y, and Z on the box - no Linux support. The app I found (not SimpleScan as I recall) that was in the repository was over 2 years old - AND flagged as unstable, run-away-form-it on the product website. A much newer version, SUPPORTING my scanner, was out since October 2011. To this day, that version is NOT in the LM repository.

BUT, the only way to install the new version from the product website demanded a build from source. As and end user, I don't have the time to hunt down 32 levels of dependencies, bits, doo-dads, libraries, compilers, resource kits, etc, etc, etc. I have a job for the machine to do - scan, and let's move the production line along.

That made me get to the point where for scanning I boot Windows and forget Linux. Pity, but surely I am not alone on the planet wanting to scan in Linux ... and besides, the problem has been solved.


If the developing team of Linux Mint knows that the SimpleScan delivered with Linux Mint is unstable and buggy, why won't they use the newest version possible? It seems to me that they neglect using the newest versions of any application in the repositories of Linux Mint!
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