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ATI HD4850

Postby cloaked on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:57 am

Hi guys,
I'm using the latest x64 version of mint and am having trouble with graphics.
Linux works OK with the built in drivers, however some graphics and games are laggy. When i activate the proprietary drivers my resolution is smaller, so naturally i try to adjust it, but no luck there because everytime i try to open display settings my system lags, the display box never opens fully , if i somehow manage to close it the system is laggy until restart. I also tried installing drivers from the ati website but then when i restart the computer i get a black screen on login (i hear the log on sound but nothing happens). I fixed that by starting recovery in grub and selecting - try to fix graphics problems.

Any ideas people?

My system is:
os: Linux mint x64, windows 7 x64 (separate hard disks)
mb: biostar p43-a7
cpu: intel core 2 duo e8400
mem: 2x2gb ram ddr2 800mhz
gpu: club 3d Ati radeon hd4850 (Accelero passive cooler)
hdd: 2xhitachi sata 300gb
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby cloaked on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:39 am

i think i posted in the wrong thread - sorry about that

The thing is a couple of mins ago my graphics got so scrambled i couldnt do anything about it so i did the easiest thing.- reinstalled mint.. works with generic drivers but when i try proprietary drivers everything the same as before
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby Stealing_Lillies on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:26 pm

Just a thought, The HD4850 requires an extra power source. Did you make sure to plug the power supply to vid card with the 6 pin power connector? Also, it could be that your power supply is not capable of handing the 4850 as well. I think on average, a person would need a 550W+ PSU to handle a 4850.
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby cloaked on Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:12 pm

yes its plugged in to the 6-pin conecctor (the pc doesn boot if it isnt)... and i dont think it is a hardware issue because in windows 7 ( and before vista and xp) i had no problems at all.
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby Stealing_Lillies on Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:37 pm

Aww, I was hopping it would be something simple for ya to fix. There are a lot of smart people that visit this forum so maybe someone will come up with another idea for you.
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby cloaked on Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:50 pm

yeah hope so... thanks for your input!
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby cloaked on Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:51 am

anyone?
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby Stealing_Lillies on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:48 pm

What is the specs of your PSU and monitor?
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby cloaked on Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:55 am

19inch crt monitor, and a 500w psu (not sure about the make, but not the crappiest one). but i still dont think that this is an issue. It works normal in other operating systems!
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby KES on Thu May 30, 2013 4:34 pm

does this card are supported at Linux Mint 15?
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby T3(h_Fr34k on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:55 pm

KES wrote:does this card are supported at Linux Mint 15?

Yes they should, look in synaptic

Catalist was updated 5/29/2013, Have you tried these

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/l ... linux.aspx
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby wheeledgoat on Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:38 am

Holy cow, thanks a ton for the link. My initial poke around amd.com missed that updated version!

And thanks OP for the thread - my exact card & situation as well!

Mint installed on my still-rockin' budget build from '08:
3ghz Athlon 64 dualcore on DFI LP DK w/ 8g DDR2, GeForce GTX 760 & Turtle Beach Riviera

Win7 on my lite build of 2012:
3.1ghz i3 dualcore on Biostar H61 w/ 8g DDR3, Crucial M4 128g SSD
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby Mark Phelps on Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:58 pm

KES wrote:does this card are supported at Linux Mint 15?


Basically -- NO.

AMD dropped restricted driver support for the HD 2x/3x/4x series cards last summer. Mint 14 and beyond (AFAIK) use the NEW X-server version that is incompatible with the older restricted drivers that used to work. The newer drivers simply will not work with these older cards.

To work with Mint 15, you will need to modify the boot parms to include "xforcevesa" -- which will force software rendering.

IF you don't do that, you won't even get to a working desktop -- as Mint 15 presumes you have the working hardware accelerated drivers, which you do not.

I found this out the hard way as I spend hours trying to boot Mint using the HD 4290 that I have.
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby wheeledgoat on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:28 pm

Well, just an update of what I've uncovered;

I was initially excited about what I learned in this thread, with that updated version. Turns out that doesn't work, for the reasons stated above (support was nuked.)

Where install hangs up (copy of install log):
Check if system has the tools required for installation.
fglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers. /lib/modules/3.8.0-23-generic/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.
One or more tools required for installation cannot be found on the system. Install the required tools before installing the fglrx driver.
Optionally, run the installer with --force option to install without the tools.
Forcing install will disable AMD hardware acceleration and may make your system unstable. Not recommended.


So I tried a suggestion I found that said to;
sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic

but that didn't change a thing.

Since I've been at work today, I've come across this suggestion. Will be trying it when I get home. It seems to get to the root of the real problem (downgrading the x-server) but I'm still unsure where Mint 15 falls in with the Quantal vs Raring instructions. Will have to clarify that.

Mint installed on my still-rockin' budget build from '08:
3ghz Athlon 64 dualcore on DFI LP DK w/ 8g DDR2, GeForce GTX 760 & Turtle Beach Riviera

Win7 on my lite build of 2012:
3.1ghz i3 dualcore on Biostar H61 w/ 8g DDR3, Crucial M4 128g SSD
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby wheeledgoat on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:35 pm

Mark Phelps wrote:To work with Mint 15, you will need to modify the boot parms to include "xforcevesa" -- which will force software rendering.


is there a downside to this?

Mint installed on my still-rockin' budget build from '08:
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Win7 on my lite build of 2012:
3.1ghz i3 dualcore on Biostar H61 w/ 8g DDR3, Crucial M4 128g SSD
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Re: ATI HD4850

Postby Mark Phelps on Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:11 pm

wheeledgoat wrote:
Mark Phelps wrote:To work with Mint 15, you will need to modify the boot parms to include "xforcevesa" -- which will force software rendering.


is there a downside to this?


Yes ... "force software rendering" means that if you plan on doing stuff like 3D gaming that require hardware acceleration, you won't get it and the frame rate will be so slow as to be useless.

For typical 2D desktop work, you won't notice any difference in performance -- it will work just fine.
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