jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
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jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
I'm not a fanboy, but over the years I've most often found myself purchasing ATI graphics cards, for whatever various reason at the time.
But now, as I enjoy my newfound freedom from Windows, I'm looking to fortify that decision as I move forward. Given my difficulties with getting my Radeon HD 4850 to work with Mint 15 (rolling back my xorg version for the ATI driver to work, and subsequent conflicts with games that require the most recent xorg), should I be looking to Nvidia?
What I mean is: does Nvidia have a better long-term reputation for supporting Linux, or is this just an ebb in an otherwise even flow? (kinda like HP has made a name for themselves by supporting open source more than their competitors).
But now, as I enjoy my newfound freedom from Windows, I'm looking to fortify that decision as I move forward. Given my difficulties with getting my Radeon HD 4850 to work with Mint 15 (rolling back my xorg version for the ATI driver to work, and subsequent conflicts with games that require the most recent xorg), should I be looking to Nvidia?
What I mean is: does Nvidia have a better long-term reputation for supporting Linux, or is this just an ebb in an otherwise even flow? (kinda like HP has made a name for themselves by supporting open source more than their competitors).
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Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
Well.. we all remember the famous middle finger from our core developer, and the promise he will come and "format C:" their hard drives..
If I remember correct a cople of years ago, it was the other way around, and ATI Linux drivers did perform better compared with Nvidia.
The really new thing is Steam, and for that we need really good and stable 3D drivers. Can't imagine that such a big firm like AMD do not have
the money or will to support Linux. What I think the issue here is: there are simple not enough people in the IT sector who can do the job.
I remember some news here in Germany.. like the Government made the Green Card for IT specialists, and how they have been surprised that not
so many did come. Anyway.. I did buy over the years so many CPU's and Graphics from AMD and ATI.. so my demand for Linux drivers is legitimate.
If I remember correct a cople of years ago, it was the other way around, and ATI Linux drivers did perform better compared with Nvidia.
The really new thing is Steam, and for that we need really good and stable 3D drivers. Can't imagine that such a big firm like AMD do not have
the money or will to support Linux. What I think the issue here is: there are simple not enough people in the IT sector who can do the job.
I remember some news here in Germany.. like the Government made the Green Card for IT specialists, and how they have been surprised that not
so many did come. Anyway.. I did buy over the years so many CPU's and Graphics from AMD and ATI.. so my demand for Linux drivers is legitimate.
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
Any comments I can offer is purely anecdotal, so keep that in mind this is purely my own experience. NVidia's drivers have never given me any kind of issue. They're fast, easy to install and control and all around I've had very good experiences with them on both Windows and Linux. AMD on Linux is not a place I care to go at the moment, I've got no major complaints about their drivers on Windows though. Hopefully that'll change in the future, but for now I'm sticking with NVidia on Linux. On Windows, I'd buy which ever provides the best performance to cost ratio.
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
thanks for weighing in with your thoughts and experiences. maybe I will bite the bullet and buy an additional graphics card, moving the ATI card over to my Win7 machine and putting a new Nvidia in the Linux box. hmmm. it does make me a little sad, I've always liked ATI. hopefully it's a temporary situation as old hardware is phased out, and they're planning better for smoother transitions in the future.
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
I know it is not official but, assuming it is the future hardware for the Steam Box, then:
Can't imagine having this hardware for sale, and give Liunx 3D drivers not that much attention..
Edit:
[url]http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Steam-Box-Modular-Computer-xi3-Trinity-Series-Radeon,news-42046.html[/url]The processor board itself features a quad-core AMD R-464L APU clocked at 3.2 GHz (2 MB x 2 L2 cache) which also contains a 384-core Radeon HD 7660G GPU.
Can't imagine having this hardware for sale, and give Liunx 3D drivers not that much attention..
Edit:
[url]http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?81666-AMD-Has-Massive-Radeon-Patch-Set-Power-Management![/url]It would give Valve total source-level control over the entire platform... I'm sure they'd love that.
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
[url]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2152930[/url]hmmm. it does make me a little sad, I've always liked ATI. hopefully it's a temporary situation as old hardware is phased out, and they're planning better for smoother transitions in the future.
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
holy crap that thread is useful. i had patched together most of that from various sources, some of which I forgot to bookmark... but that link there is pure gold.
Thanks a ton, Harz!!!!!!
Thanks a ton, Harz!!!!!!
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
My GeForce 550 Ti has been a HUGE blessing with games in Linux. Not only does Mint install the drivers with a few clicks, but my games are running fast natively and with Wine.
I don't regret purchasing an Nvidia card at all.
The 550 Ti is still available at newegg.com for about $100
So its a great investment and it can play most modern titles, but also hundreds of older titles. If you have patience with Wine of course.
I personally use PlayOnLinux and have successfully played 60+ games
I don't regret purchasing an Nvidia card at all.
The 550 Ti is still available at newegg.com for about $100
So its a great investment and it can play most modern titles, but also hundreds of older titles. If you have patience with Wine of course.
I personally use PlayOnLinux and have successfully played 60+ games
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
Honestly. alot of people will claim ATi is bad on linux. yes the driver's arent that great, but i've used both an nvidia GTX 460 and a lovely ATi HD 7770. the only problem ive ever had is out of the box graphical support, newer ATi cards dont go to well with "Free drivers" right now. but there working on it. so getting drivers setup can be a pain in the ass in a way
But once you surpass that. performance is really no different. ive seen minimal difference in most games, and some games a massive boost considering that the 7770 is far better than the 460 GTX
Its really personal preference and how much manual labour your willing to put into it. if u can look past the out of box graphical support for newer ati cards with linux. the rest is easy as 123 and quite smooth/enjoyable
Along with i am actually currently using windows 7 with my ATi for gaming. and i have no issue's with the driver's what so ever. i play over 10+ modern games, including company of heroes 2, dota 2, starcraft 2. and tera online
And any game i play run's with high and stable framerate's with maximum setting's.
I have to strongly disagree with anyone who say's ATi driver's are faulty. maybe it depends on what you actually do with them, such as multimedia creation or digging deep into ATi's coding. but beside's that, if your just a general user and gamer. you wont have any problems with ATi
Along with, the ATi drivers have a lovely "Anti screen tearing" feature, i adore that feature, it goes great with compositing
But once you surpass that. performance is really no different. ive seen minimal difference in most games, and some games a massive boost considering that the 7770 is far better than the 460 GTX
Its really personal preference and how much manual labour your willing to put into it. if u can look past the out of box graphical support for newer ati cards with linux. the rest is easy as 123 and quite smooth/enjoyable
Along with i am actually currently using windows 7 with my ATi for gaming. and i have no issue's with the driver's what so ever. i play over 10+ modern games, including company of heroes 2, dota 2, starcraft 2. and tera online
And any game i play run's with high and stable framerate's with maximum setting's.
I have to strongly disagree with anyone who say's ATi driver's are faulty. maybe it depends on what you actually do with them, such as multimedia creation or digging deep into ATi's coding. but beside's that, if your just a general user and gamer. you wont have any problems with ATi
Along with, the ATi drivers have a lovely "Anti screen tearing" feature, i adore that feature, it goes great with compositing
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
Nankura, can you please write a How To?
like explain each step from above, or give us some link if this exist already?by nankura on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:19 am
everytime i install ATi drivers i do it manually, i never use the automated tools
i download the drivers off the website
install kernel headers
install 32bit Compatability Libs
install ubuntu restricted extras
install drivers
And everything works like a charm
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
sorry it took so long, ill explain these steps if your still interested - i was on holidaysHarzVieh wrote:Nankura, can you please write a How To?like explain each step from above, or give us some link if this exist already?by nankura on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:19 am
everytime i install ATi drivers i do it manually, i never use the automated tools
i download the drivers off the website
install kernel headers
install 32bit Compatability Libs
install ubuntu restricted extras
install drivers
And everything works like a charm
bring up the terminal and follow these steps
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1. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
2. sudo apt-get update
3. sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
Now exit the terminal and open the software center
- search for the restricted extra's and grab the ubuntu version
Now head to to the ATi website http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
Download the beta or official drivers, which ever you personally prefer and extract them to a folder, i usually extract the installation to my downloads folder
then follow these steps in the terminal
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cd /home/username/Downloads
sudo sh amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13-4-x86.x86_64.run or the beta filename as necessary
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
Once you launch the Catalyst it should be a Graphical User Interface correct?
Do you have to disable Neuveau drivers or have to close Xorg?
I've seen these problems with Nvidia drivers in the past.
Do you have to disable Neuveau drivers or have to close Xorg?
I've seen these problems with Nvidia drivers in the past.
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
yes when you launch catalyst it should provide you with a graphical user interface, as for the free drivers, usually you dont have to remove them when it comes to ATi/catalyst. i know the issue your talking about with nvidia, i used to run nvidia
but ive never had to do that with ATi
but ive never had to do that with ATi
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
does the opensource driver offer a GUI or is there a custom community one ?
if not, how does a gamer expect to tune any of the many settings the closed source offers?
Also does the opensource driver support crossfire or trifire ?
thanks
if not, how does a gamer expect to tune any of the many settings the closed source offers?
Also does the opensource driver support crossfire or trifire ?
thanks
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
no problem
And im not sure if open source drivers have a GUI, ive honestly never used them. as far as i know is its all done via editing xorg configs
To be honest thats beyond me, ive only ever had to edit xorg to enable compositing on openbox
And im not sure if open source drivers have a GUI, ive honestly never used them. as far as i know is its all done via editing xorg configs
To be honest thats beyond me, ive only ever had to edit xorg to enable compositing on openbox
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
I've never touched the OpenSource drivers either. Never had to.
Are you wondering if there are some 3D settings to enhance games?
Are you wondering if there are some 3D settings to enhance games?
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
Ive mainly dealt with Nvidia, but the one thing i like is Nvidia has more a unified driver than ATI/AMD. My older nvidia 9800 and think even my 8800 card ((cant think that far back today for some reason)) either way used the same driver for install that my current 560ti uses... I have an older laptop with ATI driver and trying to find legacy drivers for it was a headache least till like the last couple years or so they made detection better but none the less it sold me more to Nvidia. Also felt in terms of gaming which i did more. Nvidia was better supported over ATI. ATI has some good products but i always felt Nvidia was one step ahead. Nvidia's open source driver neuveau has made lots of leaps and bounds too
Re: jumping ATI ship, swimming over to Nvidia?
i do get your point, it sucks that ATi kinda chuckout support for old gpu card'sjs3915 wrote:Ive mainly dealt with Nvidia, but the one thing i like is Nvidia has more a unified driver than ATI/AMD. My older nvidia 9800 and think even my 8800 card ((cant think that far back today for some reason)) either way used the same driver for install that my current 560ti uses... I have an older laptop with ATI driver and trying to find legacy drivers for it was a headache least till like the last couple years or so they made detection better but none the less it sold me more to Nvidia. Also felt in terms of gaming which i did more. Nvidia was better supported over ATI. ATI has some good products but i always felt Nvidia was one step ahead. Nvidia's open source driver neuveau has made lots of leaps and bounds too
My point was that i disagree on people complaining about ATi performance wise if you happen to have a new gen ATi card, like i have an ATi 7770 and an nvidia GTX 460 - there pretty much on par in performance with the 7770 being slightly better when gaming. so i see no real "massive performance difference" in wine gaming or linux native gaming between ATi/nvidia