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Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby Snapcase on Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:55 am

I don't know if it's only me or...

When I installed Olivia KDE (still in RC version) it worked like a charm. The best KDE distro I've tried so far. KDE was so stable and everything worked smooth once I managed to install the proper Nvidia driver. As time went by updates were arriving. I don't remember the last time I had level 1 update. Most of them are level 3 coming from Ubuntu. And the result is that with every single update something goes wrong, screwed up or stops working. A small thing each time, but now the sum of the little thing starts to be a very annoying scenario.

I'm wondering... Are the Ubuntu updates messing up the original excellent tweaks made by the Linux Mint team? No doubts that the initial release was an almost perfect OS with about no issues, but at least here, it's going worse and worse with every update coming from Ubuntu. Anyone in the same situation?

A short resume:

Dolphin is behaving strange. I didn't had the refresh button in the toolbars. No need for it, but I had to add it because it started to not refreshing the windows from time to time. Now it hardly ever refreses anything and i need to constatly use the reload button. Also it freezes and hangs out too often for a while when switching tabs taking a long while to respond and recover. Plus, it crashes quite often while I hardly ever had any crash before. It's driving me crazy. It went really bad after the last update yesterday. It was Imagemagic stuff plus a couple of KDE needed libraries. I don't remember the packages exactly, but they messed Dolphin so much.

Backup tool never gave errors untill now, but I'm having errors all the time lately, etc...

System settings started to ignore some settings, like locking the NumLock on startup, it never locks it now. Launching certain apps on start like Shutter and Yakuake (I want them always on) are not launched anymore. It doesn't matter if I keep on trying to set Firefox as the default web browser. External links now open in Konkeror. Every time. And a few more issues.

I'm thinking about upgrading to KDE 11, but I'm not sure if it will solve anything.
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby Pierre on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:29 am

I rarely install any level three updates,
- that way, the Mint O/S stay's fairly stable.

- FF, Tbird etc - are level two updates .. ..
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby skywolfblue on Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:52 am

I haven't had any troubles with any of the updates so far...

Re-installing Mint 15 KDE and not installing anything via update manager, it's a bit drastic, but it may be something to consider as an option if everything else fails. No fancy updates, but hopefully everything would work for you until Mint 16 comes out.
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby Snapcase on Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:34 am

Pierre wrote:I rarely install any level three updates,
- that way, the Mint O/S stay's fairly stable.

- FF, Tbird etc - are level two updates .. ..


Something to keep in mind from now on. Definitely.

Thanks.
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby Dahoam on Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:26 pm

This might sound naive, but what's the point of rolling out updates if it screws up stable systems? My Olivia 14 KDE was great at the beginning, then it went sour after trusting every available update. Now Olivia 15 KDE is buggy, no mouse/keyboard or sound on Skype after install with all current updates. I never update a windows box after install, just hide behind a router and a decent firewall and that works. Looks like I have to do that with LInux now. Jeeez!
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby Dahoam on Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:52 pm

When I installed Olivia KDE (still in RC version) it worked like a charm. The best KDE distro I've tried so far. KDE was so stable and everything worked smooth once I managed to install the proper Nvidia driver. As time went by updates were arriving. I don't remember the last time I had level 1 update. Most of them are level 3 coming from Ubuntu. And the result is that with every single update something goes wrong, screwed up or stops working. A small thing each time, but now the sum of the little thing starts to be a very annoying scenario.

I'm wondering... Are the Ubuntu updates messing up the original excellent tweaks made by the Linux Mint team? No doubts that the initial release was an almost perfect OS with about no issues, but at least here, it's going worse and worse with every update coming from Ubuntu. Anyone in the same situation?


I am convinced you are absolutely correct about this. I have just spent the better part of two days going from Ubuntu 12.10 to 13.04, LMKDE14 to LMKDE15 and back to LMMate 14. I won't even bother with LMMate 15. First, there isn't a computer in this house older than 3 years old, and all are major brands, HP, Gateway and Acer. Ubuntu while snazzy to look at, will not run on anything but my Acer laptop. My Gateway all-in-one won't run it consistently at all, with or with out updates. It runs marginally okay without updates on 12.10, but still, there are too many little problems to hunt down to get things like Skype to work. While I could expect that going back to LMDKE14 without any updates would produce a consistent day to day out of the box experience that I had for several months, I'm keeping that experiment in my hip pocket as a last resort. LMKDE14 ran perfectly when I first loaded earlier on in the year, but as the updates were rolled out, the mouse and keyboard began to lock up on me, requiring a reboot. LMDKE15 simply refused to allow me to log on for 1-1/2 minutes. Finally I went back to LMMate14 and low and behold....it works, no whining, no crying, no stamping of little feet, it works. Just like Windows. So, like you said, no level 3 updates, a discriminating rule set loaded into the Firewall, and I am away to the races again. What I perceive is that my hardware works. I am not doing anything wrong and only two of all these distros work out of the box but only so long as you don't apply updates. Because if I do, the problems encountered are the same across three Ubuntu based distros and three different desktops.

I'd like to think that Ubuntu is well meaning and not becoming the victim of its own success, but I see a glitzy kind of self importance that comes from it, beginning to supplant the importance of the product. I think Ubuntu sees itself as in the big time now and the direction they seem to be heading in, will see them drop the desktop or at the very least support it less vigourously. I mean, they could do that and who could blame them. They give that away for free, when the future of their corporation would appear to lay in tablets, phones and tv. The complaint I originally had with LMDKE15 not allowing me to log on for 1-1/2 because the mouse and keyboard were dead, mirrors pages and pages of complaints about unresponsive keyboards and mice in Ubuntu's 13.04

The Linux Mint people are up front about these things. They say, if your distro is working perfectly good enough for you, you're welcome to try out the live Disk to see how the new one fairs on your machine. But, really, if it ain't broke, why try to fix it? I'll be watching the reviews when 16 comes out before I even consider downloading a live disk. I like this Mate desktop, It works well and it isn't Microsoft.
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby colyn on Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:37 am

I get all updates with no issues whatsoever..

Mint 15 is running as stable as the day I installed it..
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby mintrocks123 on Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:50 pm

It is really strange ... i did an update and it removed all the core KDE libraries such as plasma deskop:
The following packages were uninstalled:

akonadi-facebook ...
akonadi-kde-resource-googledata ...
akregator ...
gdebi-kde ...
kaddressbook ...
kde-config-touchpad ...
kde-workspace ...
kscreensaver ...
kde-workspace-bin ...
kdepim-kresources ...
kdepim-strigi-plugins ...
kdeplasma-addons ...
kleopatra ...
kmail ...
knotes ...
kontact ...
konversation ...
korganizer ...
libeventviews4 ...
libkblog4 ...
libksieveui4 ...
libkfbapi1 ...
libmessagelist4 ...
plasma-desktop ...
plasma-runners-addons ...
plasma-widget-facebook ...
plasma-scriptengine-python ...
plasma-wallpapers-addons ...
plasma-widget-lancelot ...
plasma-widgets-addons ...
userconfig ...
python-kde4 ...
ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt ...
python3-pykde4 ...
libmailcommon4 ...
libmailimporter4 ...
libpimcommon4 ...
libmessagecomposer4 ...
libtemplateparser4 ...
libmessageviewer4 ...
libincidenceeditorsng4 ...
libcalendarsupport4 ...
libkdepim4 ...
libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 ...
libktnef4 ...
libmessagecore4 ...

after I installed them again, everything seems to work except kmail and kde instant messenger (they don't connect)
This has happened twice and I have to re-install everything again ...
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby mrwes on Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:35 pm

colyn wrote:I get all updates with no issues whatsoever..

Mint 15 is running as stable as the day I installed it..


Same here.
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby tdockery97 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:51 pm

I think with any of the Mint editions, and for that matter most Linux distros, hardware plays the most critical part in how smoothly things run. That's why many users only apply the level 1 & 2 updates. The levels 3-5 can all affect hardware in one way or another.
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Re: Is Ubuntu screwing up Olivia KDE?

Postby Snapcase on Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:14 am

It's clear that my hardware doesn't like the level 3-5 updates. Since I stopped updating them nothing else went broken. Won't revert to a clean install of Olivia KDE at this point with just a month of expected life. But I think I'll go Debian and leave any Ubuntu based distros away instead of going Linux Mint 16. Got enough of it. I'm done with Ubuntu. LMDE is not a choice. I want KDE. I'll switch to SolydK within the next weeks.
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