LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

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LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby thaiphoon on Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:43 pm

Hi.

Are the binaries from the Linux Mint Debian edition the same as the binaries from debian.org ?

I'm using debian now and would switch, except I'm confused at the statement "fully compatible" with debian
but you cannot use the debian.org repositories with linux mint.

Can someone please help me to better understand this.

Thank you.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby Sonsum on Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:23 am

You can use Debian repositories with LMDE, as it's just a snapshot of testing at a point in time. These snapshots are released in Update Packs and the goal is to create a compromise between stable and testing, with newer packages but little (but hopefully no) breakage.

There are many here who use the Debian repositories instead of the default LMDE ones, or pull in packages from testing, unstable, or experimental and mix it with their LMDE installs. The only difference between LMDE and Debian testing (at the time the snapshot is taken) is that LMDE includes some additional software (like Cinnamon) that hasn't quite migrated all the way down to Debian testing yet. This software could be used on a normal version of Debian if the dependencies are satisfied.

Basically, anything from Debian or LMDE should be interchangeable provided you have the correct dependencies satisfied.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby thaiphoon on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:03 am

Thanks for your explanation.

Question... if I download a package from packages.debian.org , for example:
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=alacarte

Is that package the same (if I compare md5sum against LMDE) as the 'alacarte' from the LMDE repository ?

Thanks again.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby py-thon on Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:43 am

As Sonsum mentioned LMDE-repos are a snapshot of Debian Testing. So usually LMDE is in the middle between Debian Stable and Debian Testing.

In your case this means that the alacarte versions are
in Debian Stable (wheezy) 3.5.3-1
in LMDE 3.7.90-1
in Debian Testing (jessie) 3.10.0-1
in Debian Unstable (sid) 3.10.0-1

In most cases LMDE-packages are the same as in Debian testing at a certain moment but testing moves continually and LMDE moves in steps (UPs). If you check md5sum in this very moment you will get the same result as it is the same package. This will usually be the case with packages which are no longer developped or developped slowly. Packages with quick evolution pace will already have moved on in Testing by the time the UP reaches the LMDE-user.

So if you want to have a newer version of a package which is (in its older version) part of LMDE-repos you can use Debian Testing-repos.
It will work in some, probably most cases and in other the new version can cause trouble because it needs a zillion dependencies which might collide with something "old" on your system.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby thaiphoon on Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:21 pm

Thank you for your very clear explanation.

To clarify...

Excluding the Mint specific packages like cinnamon, mate, etc., are the
remaining packages from LMDE original packages from Debian testing unmodified,
at whichever version LMDE has chosen to retain ?

I might have read LMDE sometimes packages their own versions from source,
or modifies packages in the debian repositories.

I wanted to be sure.

Thank you.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby Monsta on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:49 am

thaiphoon wrote:I might have read LMDE sometimes packages their own versions from source,
or modifies packages in the debian repositories.

You can find such packages here: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php? ... n#upstream
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby thaiphoon on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:30 pm

Sorry, I don't understand.

Are all 'non-mint' packages originated from the testing debian repositories, or
does the Mint team package and/or modify the non-mint packages ?

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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby Monsta on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:35 pm

I tried hard to understand the question, but failed. :?
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby thaiphoon on Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:26 pm

Failed to understand the question ? Hmmm.

I'll try again.

I wish to know if the Linux Mint repositories are using identical, original, exact copies of debian testing packages
for all packages that are not specific to Mint.

That should be clear enough of a question, shouldn't it ?

Thank you.

Is there anyone else who understands my question that can comment please ?

Best regards.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby eanfrid on Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:06 am

AFAIK LMDE skips or delays some updates because of its own update process (update packs) but all packages coming from Debian are left unmodified.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby Monsta on Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:43 am

thaiphoon wrote:I wish to know if the Linux Mint repositories are using identical, original, exact copies of debian testing packages
for all packages that are not specific to Mint.

That is true for most packages. The vast majority of the packages is left unmodified.

However, there are some modified packages, and there are some packages that are newer/older than the packages from the frozen Testing snapshot.
You can find the list of them here: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php? ... n#upstream
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby thaiphoon on Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:22 am

Thank you all for your help but, it's confusing when there is contradicting opinions like below.

eanfird says 'all' , not most packages coming from Debian are left unmodified...
Monsta says 'most'.

To be clear, is it 'all' or 'most' packages coming from Debian are unmodified, or ever modified from their original version ?



Monsta wrote:That is true for most packages. The vast majority of the packages is left unmodified.

However, there are some modified packages, and there are some packages that are newer/older than the packages from the frozen Testing snapshot.
You can find the list of them here: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php? ... n#upstream
eanfrid wrote:AFAIK LMDE skips or delays some updates because of its own update process (update packs) but all packages coming from Debian are left unmodified.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby eanfrid on Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:30 am

We are both right but not looking at the same part :D You will notice that Debian packages that are repackaged by the Mint team have, for example, "mint" or "linuxmint" as part of their release version. Hence, they are Mint deb packages. So all other packages are pure Debian packages.
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Re: LinuxMint Debian binaries the same as debian.org ?

Postby thaiphoon on Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:47 pm

Thanks for the clarification eanfrid.

If you mean 'pure' is (unmodified, unaltered originals) exactly the same as it's corresponding Debian version
from the Debian repositories... then understood.

Thank you.

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