FedoraRefugee wrote:Linux is NOT for everyone... Easier is always better, just not at the expense of function...or choice.
Oceanwatcher wrote:1. Connect a new Mac to a Windows network and the Windows PC's just pop up.
Oceanwatcher wrote:2. Audio. This need to be simplified and again - just work out of the box.
Oceanwatcher wrote:3. Monitor configuration.
Oceanwatcher wrote:4. An application that can fully replace MSN.
Oceanwatcher wrote:5. Make nice GUI's for all tasks.
.Oceanwatcher wrote:6. Select multiple languages during installation.
Oceanwatcher wrote:7. One common addressbook.
Oceanwatcher wrote:8. One common window manager.
Oceanwatcher wrote:9. A list of applications that you can choose at installation that will be downloaded.
Oceanwatcher wrote:So what are you missing in Mint?
qbicdesign wrote:[*]from my understanding the KDE and fluxbox versions of Mint are not developed by Mint's core team, but rather by the Mint community and i think the Mint team have made that clear - if you look at the download page you'll see it divided clearly into 2 sections Main Editions and Community Editions. I do understand what Fedorarefugee means about Linux being about choice, but i'm with Oceanwatcher in the sense that the Mint flavour needs to stay clearly focussed on one purpose - weening Windows users off Windows and onto Mint. Note that I say Mint not Linux (they'll discover Mint is Linux over time), Linux has failed at this purpose for the last 15yrs, purely IMO due to lack of focus. Mint has provided a great opportunity to refocus. Of course other DE's can be developed for Mint, but that should remain a community thing, and not something that the core team should waste time/focus/energy on, or in another 15yrs the world will still be suffering from MS (get the pun?).[/*]
Regarding Fedorarefugee's 2 cents:
Its ok if you've run out of steam, just say so. Others like me and Oceanwatcher however, see unfulfilled potential in Linux and as long as that's the case we will be committed to seeing that potential.
One main thing that your 2 cents doesn't cover is the ridiculous amount of fees paid in licensing to MS. For the small company corporate environment this is crippling, and when Linux offers the chance to wave hello again to all that wasted money, then its a very big deal. To the home user, i partly see your point , though it seems extremely defeatist. If Linux offers choice (and it does) then it can offer that choice to anyone. Right now most people have no choice, they're tied to MS and they hate that fact but no-one can yet offer them a viable alternative. Mint i believe can be, and I'll keep you all posted here on how I'm starting to use it in corporate workplace, which is where i believe the key is. 7hrs a day in the office using Linux, and soon enough people will want it at home too.
You cannot dictate what YOU think is best for everyone else
omns wrote:Oceanwatcher wrote:1. Connect a new Mac to a Windows network and the Windows PC's just pop up.
Strange. I go to the Main Menu-->Network and there all my Windows shares are. I have the option of logging in with a different username if my Linux account differs from the windows one (XP can't do that). What more is needed?
qbicdesign wrote:a bug in latest version of nautilus means that you can see the conmputers, but cannot view any of the actual shared folders.
qbicdesign wrote:You cannot dictate what YOU think is best for everyone else
Why not? MS entire marketing strategy is based on that... and they seem to have done pretty well out of it
OceanWatcher wrote:Maybe this is working well with nVidia and ATI, but I will let other decide on that. Anyone running two or three monitors here?
OceanWatcher wrote:BUT - do not offer any help. And take notes as it progresses. What do people do wrong? What stop them in the process? Also - they can not ask each other for help. The goal is to create a "Home alone" environment to see what can be done to make things easier. I just gave some friends a CD and they are going to install it at home on their own. I will let you know what happened.
Oceanwatcher wrote:It was mentioned that a lot of bugs are showstoppers for Mint. This is what I mean when I say that would like to see a feature freeze until those things have been fixed.
Oceanwatcher wrote:I understand your point, but I do not think it is the way to go for me. Better contribute to something that already exist than add to the confusion. And I do not think it is yelling or complaining. We all live in a world where choices has to be made. And if someone present a good argument for a case, then it should be considered. The things I have on my list might not get fixed right now, but I think many of them are important enough to be fixed sometime in the future. And as the list get shorter, the number of users will grow.
Sometimes I sense that the superuser do not like the idea of getting too many users in. It kinda "lowers" the status of Linux as a poweruser OS. But fighting this is a bit like trying to stop the rain. There are enough users that would like to see Mint and other distros spread to "everyone" that it will succeedeventually. Of course, we can always discuss how you define success
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