Should the Update-Manager be installed by default?

[clem]

Do you think the Update Manager should be installed by default or not?

Please read this before voting: http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=54

Thank you
Clem

[silver]

I think update manager should be installed by default but that the user should have the choice to turn it on. Also the choice as to which types of updates they want to monitor, ie security updates or general updates.

Life is all about choice.
Lets not take life away from the people just because some don't appreciate it.

Ronnie

[The Darkone]

The best way is a mintTool, which can activated over mintAssistant.

[maty1206]

Clem

I respect you, also I admire you.

But believe me, I prefer an unstable OS inted of an NO-SECURE OS.

This is the main reason Windows users come to Linux, they're looking for freedom, security and acknowledgment.

Regards

[scorp123]

No security updates?? ... Nope sorry. That's the wrong way. Especially when it comes to network-facing programs (e.g. web browsers, e-mail programs, openssh-server, samba, nfs, ....) Linux wouldn't be what it is today without the many security updates that are made available to the user more or less instantly when a security flaw is detected. Compare this to Windows .... where Microsoft deliberately choses not to fix security holes even after years because they decide it's not important for the users.

Linux distros have demonstrated time and time again that Microsoft's ways are outright wrong. You cannot play games with security and just cross your fingers and hope that nothing bad will happen.

If there is a security hole: Name it, inform the users, and for God's sake: have them update their systems asap.

We don't need a second Windows.

[red-e-made]

I have to confess: I already installed Update Manager and Update Notifier onto Celena through Synaptic.

Weighing the pros and cons, it was either a) take the remote risk that an update will make my system buggy, in which case I can re-install and merely exclude the buggy update, or b) have NO security updates.

In the end, it was a pretty easy choice to make. So yeah, keep the Update Manager installed by default.

[diego1188]

Update manager installed by default; AND a first-run popup to ask user if he wants to disable it or leave it enabled. Probably I'm a lazy man, but I think that progress means to have more time for myself and my jobs instead of wasting it by checking manually for updates.

Anyway, thanks for the greatest linux distro ever!

[linuxviolin]

For me no update manager. (clem I fear to put misled of button in voting, I wanted to click on No) I never liked the pop-up messages of the update manager and it is useless... Open Synaptic, reload packages and click update (or use a terminal) it's very easy. Just say to newbies to do it regularly.

In windows or in my other distro I don't want an automatic update or a pop-up message when one is available. I update regularly and when I decide it (one time every day in a terminal)

I guess that a good compromise will be to indicate security updates, programs updates... are available (with an icon, no pop-up please) and not to indicate those which can pose problem like the kernel by example.

But the backports and proposed repositories must be actived by default So security updates.

[Ede]

What's with you guys? Clems point on why Update Manager should not be installed is a good point, I had alot of problems with software updating, I was one of those who did not know that I had updated the kernel.

Ofcourse, this affects only people who's not experienced with Linux (Included me), but everyone that IS experienced, and KNOW what update manager do, they can just do a sudo apt-get install update-manager. IT'S THAT HARD. O_o
And at the cost that the experienced users install network manager manually, every newbie will NOT update kernel-updates by a mistake, and therefore continue to have a stable system.

Now who needs help the most? You or them? Many people try linux, but is scared away. I can understand that, and this was one of the point. "Omg, my linux updated the kernel without me knowing and now I cant use my computer anymore!? Where's my windows-cd?!"

Most newbies don't need to update any software anyway. Why would you need to update anything anyway? Up to date? Few updates does anything at all that you would notice.

[linuxviolin]

every newbie will NOT update kernel-updates by a mistake, and therefore continue to have a stable system.

Yes, I agree with that about kernel but not for security updates.

stability on your desktop is more important than getting the latest security updates.

Stability is great but provides security patches in a timely manner during the official lifetime is necessary.

[betaluva]

i say NO, i dont update just because the pop up keeps on telling me that updates are avaiable, in fact i find it quite annoying.

[facade47]

I think we should have a mint tool for this, but keep it in for now. Perhaps a compromise would be to take update-notifier off of the list of start-up programs, so that the user must be at least semi-conscious of her decision to update the system.

[Husse]

I've been thinking about this
Given the reaction by scorp123, who's opinion I really respect, I think we should use update manager at least until we can make a mint tool for that
I have provided Clem with a truly simple piece of code that turns off the dist-upgrade message and mintAssistant locks the kernel.
These are the two major setbacks of update manager
I don't know if there's a risk that some mint specific tool would be updated with "the wrong" Ubuntu file, that's something Clem has to check.
One way would be to have our own repositories....

[aapiethaaap]

i just discoverd i deinstald my update manager by accident and after 2 months i have no problems so i voted no but a mint tool should be made!

[maty1206]

I think that MInt users need to give more support to our Distro.

We need more testers, we need huge donations, we need people who really want to improve and not only ask for.

Come om guys!

It's time to give more support to Mint developers, it's time to donate for create our -self repositories and finish of this kind of alternatives because we are depending of Ubuntu repositories.

Now should be change everything

Cheers