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Pjotr, you have a serious itch between your toes - just like your other "neighbor". :P :lol:

Now that I can believe. In some aspects MS-DOS has become more usable nowadays than the Win9x line. And it still has drivers available for certain newer hardware, as opposed to 9x which M$ are trying hard to erase from the face of the Earth as if it never existed. Yeah, because freedom is dangerous. :roll:

You know, someday I'll free up some space in this clogged house, set up my first computer ever - a 66MHz i486 DXII IBM ValuePoint - and start playing those old games I never got to play in their time.

May y'all have a happy new year! 8)
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Drugwash wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:43 am
gm10 wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:27 pm
if I'm doing it right you won't notice any difference
Does that ever work? :roll: Doing it right at the very first attempt, I mean. :) Well, good luck with that! 8)
You can count the number of times I really messed up on one hand - if you divide that with the total number of updates I've released you'll find that's a very small fraction. So don't you worry, it works most of the time. ;)
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Windows 98.
Are you speaking for yourself or are you gm10's secretary? :roll:
He's my secretary. The troll position was already taken. :P
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Wrong! It's MS-DOS 6.22, because of its elegant autoexec.bat. I know, because I'm practically gm10's neighbour. :mrgreen:
You're misremembering, neighbour, I was using DR-DOS at the time. And my autoexec.bat was highly complex to serve a menu driven by config.sys to create several, quite different system configurations.

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gm10 wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:26 am
So don't you worry, it works most of the time.
I'm not worried, not at all. :shock: :P :lol:
gm10 wrote:
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The troll position was already taken.
Alrighty then. :P :lol:
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I was using DR-DOS at the time.
Sweet memories of the past... Everything was so simple then. Why do we all have to go the Tom Sawyer way...? :?

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Just as a thought, as this thread is so long, Is it possible to modify post 1 in this thread, to give an overview of the current list of tools and updates, along with instructions for Newbies as to how and where to get them?
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lsemmens wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:33 pm
Just as a thought, as this thread is so long, Is it possible to modify post 1 in this thread, to give an overview of the current list of tools and updates, along with instructions for Newbies as to how and where to get them?
Probably a good idea. I'm generally lazy with such things but I'll take a look one of these days. Happy new year! :)
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Note to translation contributors: Please keep terminology consistent, and please watch the grammar of your target language.

Some changes were made earlier today to the Italian translations, renaming Software Sources from Fonti software to Origini Software, also in the translations for official Mint actually, while at the same time approving Sorgenti as the translation for Sources in official Mint, while leaving it at Fonti in the translations for the PPA.

I don't know which one is the best translation, and that's not really the point, the point is that now there are 3 different Italian words for the same English term in use, and that should never happen. Terminology should always be consistent. There's also what are likely capitalization issues - just because a word is capitalized in English does not mean it must be capitalized in all languages.

I'd really like to keep the translations open to everyone to encourage more contributions, but if I have to start policing them I'll have to lock them down and set up a review system. Hopefully that can be avoided.

Thanks to all those who are contributing. :)
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Strange update manager behaviour. I saw the update for the update manager via the update manager splash screen and so clicked 'update and restart update manager' button. But then it then launched the kernel manager and installed the latest stable (5.4.x). There wasn't any dialogue about updating the update manager but it did appear to. Its fine now and working, just FYI that updating the update manager would trigger a kernel installation.
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oldgranola wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:13 pm
Strange update manager behaviour. I saw the update for the update manager via the update manager splash screen and so clicked 'update and restart update manager' button. But then it then launched the kernel manager and installed the latest stable (5.4.x). There wasn't any dialogue about updating the update manager but it did appear to. Its fine now and working, just FYI that updating the update manager would trigger a kernel installation.
Hmm. This sounds like something I had fixed in 1:5.7.8~gm10 - unless you were on an older version prior to the self-update (can you let me know which one you were on please? see the History of Updates window, the mintupdate entry), maybe I managed to unfix it again... I'll take a look, thanks.
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gm10 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:19 pm
oldgranola wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:13 pm
Strange update manager behaviour. I saw the update for the update manager via the update manager splash screen and so clicked 'update and restart update manager' button. But then it then launched the kernel manager and installed the latest stable (5.4.x). There wasn't any dialogue about updating the update manager but it did appear to. Its fine now and working, just FYI that updating the update manager would trigger a kernel installation.
Hmm. This sounds like something I had fixed in 1:5.7.8~gm10 - unless you were on an older version prior to the self-update (can you let me know which one you were on please? see the History of Updates window, the mintupdate entry), maybe I managed to unfix it again... I'll take a look, thanks.
Is this the entry?

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01/09/2020 08:17:36 AM mintupdate 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
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A little more if it helps, there's also mintupdate-common

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01/09/2020 08:19:51 AM libnss3 2:3.35-2ubuntu2.6 2:3.35-2ubuntu2.7
01/09/2020 08:19:50 AM libappindicator3-1 12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-1mint1+tricia 12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-1mint2
01/09/2020 08:19:49 AM mintsources 1:2.2.5~gm10 1:2.2.6~gm10
01/09/2020 08:19:45 AM software-sources 1:2.2.5~gm10 1:2.2.6~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:47 AM mint-release-upgrade 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.3~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:36 AM mintupdate 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:31 AM mintupdate-common 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:29 AM kernel-manager 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:15:43 AM linux-modules-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:41 AM linux-image-unsigned-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:24 AM linux-headers-5.4.10-050410 <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:19 AM linux-headers-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
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oldgranola wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:44 pm
A little more if it helps, there's also mintupdate-common

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01/09/2020 08:19:51 AM libnss3 2:3.35-2ubuntu2.6 2:3.35-2ubuntu2.7
01/09/2020 08:19:50 AM libappindicator3-1 12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-1mint1+tricia 12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-1mint2
01/09/2020 08:19:49 AM mintsources 1:2.2.5~gm10 1:2.2.6~gm10
01/09/2020 08:19:45 AM software-sources 1:2.2.5~gm10 1:2.2.6~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:47 AM mint-release-upgrade 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.3~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:36 AM mintupdate 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:31 AM mintupdate-common 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:29 AM kernel-manager 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:15:43 AM linux-modules-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:41 AM linux-image-unsigned-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:24 AM linux-headers-5.4.10-050410 <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:19 AM linux-headers-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
Thanks, but those didn't all get installed during the self-update, did they? The top 4 you installed afterwards, right? And just to confirm again that the kernel and the self-update happened at the same time? Because there's nearly 2 minutes between them.
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gm10 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:09 pm
oldgranola wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:44 pm
A little more if it helps, there's also mintupdate-common

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01/09/2020 08:19:51 AM libnss3 2:3.35-2ubuntu2.6 2:3.35-2ubuntu2.7
01/09/2020 08:19:50 AM libappindicator3-1 12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-1mint1+tricia 12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-1mint2
01/09/2020 08:19:49 AM mintsources 1:2.2.5~gm10 1:2.2.6~gm10
01/09/2020 08:19:45 AM software-sources 1:2.2.5~gm10 1:2.2.6~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:47 AM mint-release-upgrade 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.3~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:36 AM mintupdate 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:31 AM mintupdate-common 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:17:29 AM kernel-manager 1:6.1.2~gm10 1:6.1.4~gm10
01/09/2020 08:15:43 AM linux-modules-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:41 AM linux-image-unsigned-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:24 AM linux-headers-5.4.10-050410 <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
01/09/2020 08:15:19 AM linux-headers-5.4.10-050410-generic <none> 5.4.10-050410.202001091038
Thanks, but those didn't all get installed during the self-update, did they? The top 4 you installed afterwards, right? And just to confirm again that the kernel and the self-update happened at the same time? Because there's nearly 2 minutes between them.
Sorry, I didn't see anything reported during the self update other than the kernel stuff. Yes the two happened together but I didn't look in detail or reboot. Then the update manager refreshed and I updated from the new list without delay. So I'll wager that those starting at 19:45 were part of the second update as you suggest.
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oldgranola wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:55 pm
Thanks for the additional info. I'll look into it and have it fixed with the next release.

Update: Fixed in mintupdate 1:6.1.5~gm10.
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I don't wish to induce you to complicate the code too much (I love mean and lean!), so it's with a bit of hesitation that I mention this:

Currently I'm testing Bodhi Linux, as I'm looking for a replacement for Lubuntu as the recommended option for low-specced old machines. It's a good distro, based on Ubuntu LTS (currently 18.04 Bionic), under active development, and looks very promising.

Furthermore, the Dutch translation for its desktop environment Moksha (a fork of Enlightenment) has had a considerable update in the past few days. 8)

Now to the problem at hand: your tools install flawlessly in Bodhi, but actually applying updates with them fails. That's possibly because Bodhi still relies on gksudo to run graphical applications with root permissions, instead of pkexec.

That's actually rather a pity, because Bodhi's own default updater is, shall we say, not stellar....

Could this perhaps be addressed easily, or would it require a lot of work and/or lead to undesirable code complications?
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Pjotr wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:10 pm
Now to the problem at hand: your tools install flawlessly in Bodhi, but actually applying updates with them fails. That's possibly because Bodhi still relies on gksudo to run graphical applications with root permissions, instead of pkexec.
Since that sounded quite unlikely, I went as far as downloading it and trying in their live environment. It actually works properly out of the box, but the problem is they made a poor hack job out of replacing pkexec with esudo (not gksudo), and since they didn't do it properly, it breaks on the first update to or reinstall of the policykit-1 package. And since that distribution isn't running a policykit authentication agent, the real pkexec that you end up with then won't work in a graphical environment.

tl:dr: this is a bug in that distribution

That aside, I have always said that I wanted to get rid of pkexec in favour of a system service. It's just not a high priority and over time has become considerably lower priority yet. One of these days, maybe...
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Thanks for investigating it. Looks like I'll have to live with Bodhi's own updater. :mrgreen:
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Pjotr wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:17 am
Thanks for investigating it. Looks like I'll have to live with Bodhi's own updater. :mrgreen:
Or even better, tell them to fix their packaging so their esudo replacement sticks. Because the way they're doing it, anything using pkexec will break.
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gm10 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:47 am
Pjotr wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:17 am
Thanks for investigating it. Looks like I'll have to live with Bodhi's own updater. :mrgreen:
Or even better, tell them to fix their packaging so their esudo replacement sticks. Because the way they're doing it, anything using pkexec will break.
Good idea. I've asked them to look into it...
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Hello gm10. I saw the self update displaying a fix for the auto launch of the kernel manager and hit the update button. However, it is still happening, the next version of the stable kernel installed and then the autoupdate happened. In case it has any bearing i'll mention I had just hard booted the computer because after waking from suspend, sound and internet didn't wake up, and the option to 'restart' had gone missing too. Doubt it matters but heck. I should also mention that I do have UKUU paid version installed but not started and wonder if that script is interacting? Here's the immediate update history

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01/13/2020 02:37:52 PM mintupdate-common 1:6.1.4~gm10 1:6.1.5~gm10
01/13/2020 02:37:45 PM mintupdate 1:6.1.4~gm10 1:6.1.5~gm10
01/13/2020 02:37:43 PM kernel-manager 1:6.1.4~gm10 1:6.1.5~gm10
01/13/2020 02:35:44 PM linux-modules-5.4.11-050411-generic <none> 5.4.11-050411.202001120738
01/13/2020 02:35:43 PM linux-image-unsigned-5.4.11-050411-generic <none> 5.4.11-050411.202001120738
01/13/2020 02:35:26 PM linux-headers-5.4.11-050411 <none> 5.4.11-050411.202001120738
01/13/2020 02:35:20 PM linux-headers-5.4.11-050411-generic <none> 5.4.11-050411.202001120738

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oldgranola wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:51 pm
Hello gm10. I saw the self update displaying a fix for the auto launch of the kernel manager and hit the update button. However, it is still happening,
I'm very confident that it is fixed, but you have to realize that you only received the fix after applying the update, so what you were seeing was still the behaviour from the broken previous version (1:6.1.0~gm10 up to 1:6.1.4~gm10 have that problem). So I'll ignore your report for now but should you see it happening again with future updates, then by all means, please do let me know!
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