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Monthly News – June 2019

Post by clem » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:29 am

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by AndyMH » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:27 pm

If chromium moves to a snap package, I will be switching to another browser.
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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by gm10 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:56 pm

AndyMH wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:27 pm
If chromium moves to a snap package, I will be switching to another browser.
You can always compile it yourself/let Ubuntu do it via a PPA, or just use one of the existing PPAs.

Anyway, good blog, maybe except for the "we're all super happy" part - March wasn't bad, it was free PR, no reason to try so hard to walk it back now. ;)
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Post by karlchen » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:05 pm

Hi, gm10. As I understood the "super happy" part it was just meant to bring across the message that the "extended blues period" is over. Normal business again. :wink: Karl
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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by cliffcoggin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:14 pm

I wasn't aware that snaps were so problematic, but then I don't use them so I wouldn't.
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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by AZgl1500 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:27 pm

AndyMH wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:27 pm
If chromium moves to a snap package, I will be switching to another browser.
I wondered what was different about chromium....
it don't really matter to me, it is just a 'backup browser' used to test links.
I only use Firefox.

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Post by gm10 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:11 pm

karlchen wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:05 pm
Hi, gm10. As I understood the "super happy" part it was just meant to bring across the message that the "extended blues period" is over. Normal business again. :wink: Karl
Yes, I know, it's how I understood it as well, it just sounded a bit forced to me. Might just be me though. Doesn't matter one way or another. It was a very good blog post otherwise.
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Post by HaveaMint » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:19 pm

Thank you LM Team for all your hard work, It is appreciated very much so.
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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by all41 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:17 pm

A self-installing Snap Store which overwrites part of our APT package base is a complete NO NO.
This speaks volumes

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by rambo919 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:02 am

Well it's not as if they have much choice with 32bit support but there is going to definitely be problems with a complete crossover. It's like Firefox and the addon support drop, many STILL have not been redone to the new standard and I myself have to keep a outdated portable version around for one addon specifically which the dev has basically abandoned because he does not think it's possible to do the same thing with the new standard.

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by unkilbeeg » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:51 am

I didn't see any mention of Mate in this month's status. Is a Mate version still going to be supported?

I've tried Cinnamon several times, but I personally find the Mate experience more comfortable.

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by JoeFootball » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:11 am

unkilbeeg wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:51 am
I didn't see any mention of Mate in this month's status. Is a Mate version still going to be supported?
I expect that MATE and Xfce will indeed be supported for at least the rest of the 19.x series. :)

Specific to desktop environments, I think that Cinnamon gets news as it's Clem & Co. who are developing it, where MATE and Xfce are developed elsewhere.

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by unkilbeeg » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:23 am

It was my understanding that the MATE project was also associated with Mint. Did that change, or was I just misunderstanding the relationship?

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by gm10 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:44 am

unkilbeeg wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:23 am
It was my understanding that the MATE project was also associated with Mint. Did that change, or was I just misunderstanding the relationship?
MATE used to be mainly developed by the Mint team, but these days the Mint team concentrates on Cinnamon. Anyway, LM 19.2 will come with MATE 1.22.
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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by all41 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:23 pm

MATE used to be mainly developed by the Mint team
Are you referring to the Mint MATE DE here?

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by Schultz » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:57 pm

Clem is mentioned here: https://mate-desktop.org/team/.

Not exactly sure what "helped bootstrap MATE in the early days" means though. :?:

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by all41 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:35 pm

Good reference @Shultz,
Not sure about the bootstrap call either, but it's something I was not aware of.
Imho Cinnamon is Clem's visionary breakaway.
The Cinnamon teams continue to impress so it's easy to see the resources tilting toward Cinnamon.
However I still support every Mint effort.

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Post by smgordon1259 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:13 am

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by That Random Guy » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:24 pm

AZgl1500 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:27 pm
I wondered what was different about chromium....
it don't really matter to me, it is just a 'backup browser' used to test links.
I only use Firefox.
Ditto—don't really get why folk are making a fuss about Chromium of all things.

If it were Firefox or something, then I'd be having a big tantrum.

Chrome's big brother? Nah. :lol:

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Re: Monthly News – June 2019

Post by carum carvi » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:53 pm

Qute from the monthly LinuxMint news by Clem:
As long as snap is a solution to a problem, it’s great. Just like Flatpak, it can solve some of the real issues we have with frozen package bases. It can provide us with software we couldn’t otherwise run as packages. When it starts replacing packages for no good reason though, when it starts harming our interaction with upstream projects and software vendors and reducing our choice, it becomes a threat.
Chromium is only one popular example of SNAP becoming a sort of a monopoly interfering with the way other Linux distributions are organised and function. I guess the fear that Snap is becoming a monopoly is the danger Clem is warning us about. Spotify is mentioned by Clem as another example in which Feodora users are already dependent on 1 commercial company for their Snap release.


Qute from the monthly LinuxMint news by Clem:
If you’re a Fedora user and you want to install Spotify, you’re told to go to https://snapcraft.io/spotify. Spotify doesn’t distribute RPM packages, appimage, Flatpak or anything useful to a Fedora user who wants to download it....

...We (at LinuxMint) are in luck, we can still download the .deb. If Spotify stops caring, what do we do?
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