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Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:23 pm
by InkKnife
Runaway1956 wrote:Unfortunately - the Linux world isn't doing enough work on the lightweights. My very favorite DE is Enlightenment, but it's been stuck at E17 for a long time. LXDE is nice, but it really needs some polishing. I don't understand the need to have a desktop environment that uses 1/4 of the memory on a 4 gig system, and loads a ton of widgets, applets, etc at startup. This is all to much Windows-like for my taste.

There must be some problem with your system if you are seeing your DE using a gig of ram.
I just looked at my system monitor and Cinnamon is consuming 94MB of ram on my system, right now and this amount is typical. The highest I have seen it was about 135MB but that was Cinnamon 1.3. Ram use has gone down in newer versions.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:56 pm
by homerscousin
I'll throw this in for a comparison. I'm on Mint 13 KDE 64 bit now. Total mem use now is 965 Mb. I did run Cinnamon 32 bit and it used 200-300 Mb less total, but that was on my old rig also with only 1 Gb ram and Cinnamon commonly used 150-170 Mb. Now on KDE I see processes for Plasma desktop- 85 Mb, Kwin 40 Mb, and xorg 40 Mb, all rounded up numbers. Not much difference in total unless I'm missing something. I thought 64 bit used more anyway. I much prefer KDE over Cinnamon.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:36 am
by AlbertP
Cinnamon RAM usage has decreased even more in 1.6 compared to the default 1.4 version of Mint 13. If you are worried about your RAM usage please upgrade: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2177.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:07 pm
by palo
I gave my votes to Xfce and Other(for Enlightenment of course). I came to Mint for the Cinnamon which I thought to be a great way to deal with the direction that Gnome has taken. I had tried Xfce years ago - it was just horrid then and that impression stuck with me until I tried Mint Xfce - can't say that anything displeased me about it and found it was a great foundation for E17. Grabed E17 testing from Launchpad and plan to stick with it for a while.
Runaway1956 wrote:Unfortunately - the Linux world isn't doing enough work on the lightweights. My very favorite DE is Enlightenment, but it's been stuck at E17 for a long time.
The wait is almost over :D - expect to hear about a release date announcement at the LinuxCon Europe soon. :D

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:43 am
by bigj231
I prefer Cinnamon over the other options I've tried lately. I did use KDE quite some time ago, but it had some really weird graphical glitches so I quit using it. It turns out that it was a failing graphics card, but I never took the time to reinstall it. I do agree with cinnamon being very intuitive. I would definitely choose it over the other options for someone who is already familiar with windows and reluctant to try something new.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:16 am
by NakasDougenis
Cinnamon is the best thing that happened in DEs since Windows 95

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:51 am
by registereduser
I'm running Cinnamon, this is my first day using it and I really like it, but still I do miss the Gnome 2.x experience (namely the easibility and options in theme settings) These themes are okay, but I can't find any way to really change the appearance of windows. All the windows stay bright white and gives me a headache, the only thing that changes with themes now is the menu panel.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:12 am
by bimsebasse
registereduser wrote:I'm running Cinnamon, this is my first day using it and I really like it, but still I do miss the Gnome 2.x experience (namely the easibility and options in theme settings) These themes are okay, but I can't find any way to really change the appearance of windows. All the windows stay bright white and gives me a headache, the only thing that changes with themes now is the menu panel.


if I had a penny every....

Changing Cinnamon theme only affects the shell, i.e. panels and panel popups and overviews. To change window theme you choose Other Settings under the theme tab and select "gtk+ theme" (windows proper) and "window theme" (titlebar, window borders). This is - for a newcomer - counter-intuitive and clumsily organized and you are far from the first to be frustrated, but clem doesn't recognize it as an issue. It would be very simple to arrange theme handling in a more sensible way.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:52 pm
by David Brown
I use Mate 1.4, on Maya.

I've been using Mint since version 5, with the Gnome 2 desktop. I've tried Maya with KDE and Cinnamon but my unfamiliarity with these desktop environments pushes me back to Mate. I just downloaded the Mint user guide but found it's specific to Mate.

David Brown

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:02 pm
by Scotsman828
For me it's Cinnamon all the way. Xfce is a distant second.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:20 am
by baptiste
I've set the top panel to autohide in Mate, it's very feature rich with the classic gnome triple menu about in the middle, a redundant desktop switcher, applets, and a shortcut area on the left with some others where it's nice to have them. It's so nice to bump the mouse all the way up and launch a music player in one clic or have a look at system temperature, weather, date, volume control etc.

So in my opinion Mate is easily the best in the Gnome 2/Xfce/LXDE family.
Only weirdness (after installing Cinnamon on the side) is I have folder shortcuts opening Nautilus 3.x, but desktop shortcuts opening Caja 1.2.1 (Nautilus 2.x). Transmission opens Nautilus 3.x
Before that, I was on LXDE and Transmission would open Caja instead of pcmanfm. So in linux I have trouble with what the default file manager is and how various programs obey the setting.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:42 am
by baptiste
bigj231 wrote:I prefer Cinnamon over the other options I've tried lately. I did use KDE quite some time ago, but it had some really weird graphical glitches so I quit using it. It turns out that it was a failing graphics card, but I never took the time to reinstall it. I do agree with cinnamon being very intuitive. I would definitely choose it over the other options for someone who is already familiar with windows and reluctant to try something new.


I had it drop me in a gnome 3 fallback desktop with no warning, even though I have a nvidia card with proprietary driver. The fallback desktop is decent looking, though crippled.
I didn't fight my way to understand what was wrong and how to fix it. Especially as each time I changed desktop, the login manager (mdm) would play a login sound, at 100% volume on my amplifier that is also set at 100% (it's a 2x12 watt one). I let you imagine the surprise, and the sound pressure level (the sound card can have a powerful output). Neighbors must have heard it in a 100m radius.
It's a funny bug :) (or, an intended behavior going wrong).

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:29 am
by Thinker
My favourite DE is Gnome Shell. I started using Linux with Mint 12 and since then, i fall in love with Gnome Shell. I have tried various other DE. Cinnamon, Openbox, Gnome2 are outdated in matter of looks and are for old school people. Whether you agree or not, Cinnamon looks somewhat like Windows XP like start menu, bottom panel, blotted with notification icons and ugly frustrating looks. LXDE and XFCE are better than previous ones but far behind the Look and Ease of Gnome Shell. I found nothing like many users say that Gnome Shell is not easy to use and its limited functionality affects work output, etc. It has some brilliant features like hot corner, dash, overview combined with Elegant looks which made the work quite easy. With the use of Extensions and Gnome Tweak Tool, it can be made to work in desired way. Its is somewhat different than traditional way of working but once get used to it, it's AWESOME.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:45 am
by baptiste
Gnome Shell is certainly a work of art, and I'm done with the hate, it's a better sell than most geeky window managers.
What is not that modern is being application centric. Applications centric desktop are a throwback to Windows 3.1 (which was basically an application launcher and alt-tabbing between full screen windows)
I like my ungrouped taskbar buttons, they correspond to documents more than applications, I can have a desktop workspace with stuff that relates together such as a media player and file managers open at the relevant directories, or I could be working on something and have a few documents and worry about them, not the applications (document viewer, text editor, image viewer, word processor etc.)

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:46 am
by magi13
Though a newbie, just voted for mate

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:52 am
by pix4paxguy
My first forum post.
Long and wandering experience with software - since Fortran in 1965, but mostly as a Windows user (no longer programmer) since 1986. Retired teacher, living very remotely, and recovering from a failed HDD that ran XP-Pro. Using old laptop and external backup to access and load Mint Maya Mate with no hassles on the new HDD.
(so good-bye Bill G)
It feels strange to not be immediately familiar with what's where... but this OS is similar enough - and I no longer need all the bells and whistles of years past.
I DO AGREE that speed and clean efficiency is lost as people tweak - especially if some would wanna be Windows. Best not to go there, or have major reason for adding some functionality. This OS is sweet... and I look to gain expertise - though much time now spent growing our own veggies. Life changes lead to priority changes. I'll try to assist, but it may take me awhile to get to that level.
Appreciate the forum and look forward to learning a lot from you - who've been using/ supporting the system it now is.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:20 am
by chris2kari
Clem I regard MATE & KDE the best DE's because they have PERSISTENT SETTINGS!
Speaking as a laptop user there is nothing more tedious than having to reset my sound back to an audible volume & reset my screen brightness back to a non blinding level every single time I have to login.

MATE beats KDE in resource usage & the Mint MATE edition is beautifully crafted so for me it's no contest - MATE.

Chris

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:08 am
by Kiuri
Once I tried LM13 KDE I never went back, I like to have control of my Desktop environment and tweak the little details of how my OS looks and feels and KDE is the way to go, it's just amazing how customizable it is, heaven really. Beautiful Desktop effects, multi monitor support works tremendously well, each with their wallpaper slideshow settings and with multi desktops, I find myself drooling just staring at the screens! Amazing job!
You have to invest a bit of time in it to make it do what you want, extremely rewarding if you do so.
Out of the box it is quite good as well, as it is customization heaven you can make it as simple or as complex as you want it to be, still it has loads of options that might alienate new users with so many different settings. I am the kind of person that prefers to have the option than not having one.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:24 am
by Hammer459
My preferred Desktop is Enlightenment but MATE seems to work well. Gnome Shell is completely unusable and was my main reason for abandoning Red Hat that I have been using since 1995/96.

Re: Poll: Desktop environments

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:23 am
by I do Mint
Just came from Mint 9 (Isadora) to Mint 13 Mate, just love it and use it for 80% of my tasks now.