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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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I'm having trouble with the KDE power manager(kde-guidance-powermanager). It shows two procs, but they are both at 0%. I booted the Kubuntu 8.04 CD to check, and it shows them fine. I noticed a difference in package versions. Mint is using kde-guidance-powermanager 0.8.0svn20080103-Obuntu16.1 and Kubuntu is using 0.8.0svn20080103-Obuntu16. Not sure what the channel log is for 16.1, so don't know what the differences are. Also the Mint version does not have support for changing proc speed(performance,powersave,dynamic), and Kubuntu version does. I am using HP dv6815.

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00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Memory Controller (rev a2)
00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP67 ISA Bridge (rev a2)
00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP67 SMBus (rev a2)
00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Memory Controller (rev a2)
00:01.3 Co-processor: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Co-processor (rev a2)
00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 OHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev a2)
00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 EHCI USB 2.0 Controller (rev a2)
00:04.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 OHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev a2)
00:04.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 EHCI USB 2.0 Controller (rev a2)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP67 IDE Controller (rev a1)
00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
00:08.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP67 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP67 AHCI Controller (rev a2)
00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP67 Ethernet (rev a2)
00:0c.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP67 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2)
00:0d.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP67 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2)
00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control
02:05.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 05)
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02:05.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 12)
02:05.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 12)
02:05.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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Very disappointed. Live DVD runs fine but cannot install - numerous installer crashes at partition stage. I have a bog standard current installation of Elyssa gnome on a single HDD partitioned as root, swap and home. Nothing unusual and everything runs fine. Decided to try the kde beta.

First install attempt, the partition manager starts up, searches HDD, gets to 46% then hangs for 5-6 minutes.. So I cancel install and try again. This time I get a Code 10 whatever that is. So I try again and this time I get to the partition screen but it shows /dev/sda as empty (I know it isn't because it has my gnome install on it). It wants me to create new partitions but I don't want to ddo that - I want to use the existing partitions.

So I reboot and try again. This time I get an "Installer Crashes" dialogue with an invite to report the bug to ubiquity, which I do, including the partman and syslog files. I reboot and try again and get the same crash report. Now cannot get even the installer to start.

Very frustrating. I spent hours downloading the dvd for nothing it seems. I have rechecked the sum and it checks out ok.

I am going to burn another copy of the dvd just in case. Anyone got any ideas?

EDIT: Just in case it helps, I rebooted and tried again. Same error report but this time I captured the details:

"Installer Crashed"

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py", line 2319, in index
childItem = parentItem.child(row)
File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py", line 2359, in child
return self.childItems[row]
IndexError: list index out of range

SECOND EDIT: Well the Installer/PartMan crash well and truly trashed my HDD. Now I can't boot from the HDD. If I use the live dvd and try sudo fdisk it can't open /dev/sda or sdb, hda/hdb etc. Sudo qtparted says "no device found"??

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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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So if someone was bored and had time on their hands,, how would that someone upgrade from KDE Desktop 3.5 to 4.1? Is it thru the repos, is there compiling involved or what?
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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

Post by NiksaVel »

Just wanted to add that this is another great release... good work boo!!!
Another thing I forgot to mention is that my bootup screen is too small for the screen, my normal resolution is 1680x1050 and im assuming thats what usplash uses but it only takes up about 3/4 of the screen leaving a black one inch border around it.
same here on my laptop @ 1400x1050... don't really care about it, but thought to mention it...


My shared printer didn't work properly with the default driver, unlike Daryna for some reason - but supposedly the driver from the openprinting database solved it... details here: http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopi ... 51&t=15824



Keep up the good work!

And also... after being strongly supportive of mint around here in my parts I now have at least 10 friends running on mint all the time as well as a new LUG supporting it locally :) While the main edition on gnome is always just a little bit more complete and stable (which is the reason I always recommend it to newcommers from the windoze hell) I've been sticking with KDE for awhile now, since I've definitely decided that I prefer KDE since it is a lot more pleasing to my eyes :)... I wish more effort could be devoted to the KDE edition so it is 100% on par with the gnome version... with all mintTools converted etc....

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P.S. I just LOVE the "swoosh" wallpaper - please use it as default! :)
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EXCELLENT job, but it is a pity Kubuntu is such a big bug.
I mean:
I am an old KDE user, and have tried almost every KDE distro out there. This is, IMHO, the best KDE desktop I've ever seen, in terms of beautyfulness, usability, features, and software selection.

It is so good that I tried to install it on a small network I am creating in a student's residence. And this is when I found lots of bugs (X crashing on ATI Radeon 9250, Ubiquity crashing, etc.), that were not from Mint-KDE but from upstream kubuntu. These bugs have been reported, and looks like they will never be fixed.

So I will have to leave your excellent distro, and install Debian Lenny (which is by far more stable than kubuntu, although it is still testing).
I think it would be good if you, Mint guys, switched from Ubuntu to Debian as the base for your distro.
Anyway, thanks for your excellent work. Best wishes.

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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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Does anyone ever reply to the posts here or it it just a place for an orgy of self-congratulation? The multiple crashes of Ubiquity and the partition manager have managed to trash my HDD during the install process even though I made no choices anywhere after name/region etc and just cancelled the install when the partition manager failed. Now I have a HDD that won't boot anymore and a useless dvd that took hours to download.

Just thought I might get some advice about what to do or at least an expression of sympathy or interest in the problems.

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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

Post by NiksaVel »

I'd suggest you post to the appropriate forums with your problems...

this is sort of just a informal bugtracking and thank-you list...


personally, I always use manual partitioning and it went well for me, no problems at all.
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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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NiksaVel wrote:I'd suggest you post to the appropriate forums with your problems...

this is sort of just a informal bugtracking and thank-you list...
personally, I always use manual partitioning and it went well for me, no problems at all.
Informal or not you expect some sort of acknowledgment. I have re-posted in another forum - correct me if I am wrong but there doesn't seem to be a forum specifically for this release? Surely there should be?

I did use manual partitioning and it has been an absolute disaster. I wouldn't say I am at expert level but have been using linux for 4 years now and am quite experienced. I often experiment with betas and so on. I have had problems before with the odd bug in a beta but NEVER been even unable to install. And end up with a trashed HDD

This is the worst experience I have ever had with a linux OS. I have been happily using mint on one of my PCs almost since the beginning but something has gone seriously wrong in this edition. Very sad to see.

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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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arjay wrote:
NiksaVel wrote:I'd suggest you post to the appropriate forums with your problems...

this is sort of just a informal bugtracking and thank-you list...
personally, I always use manual partitioning and it went well for me, no problems at all.
Informal or not you expect some sort of acknowledgment. I have re-posted in another forum - correct me if I am wrong but there doesn't seem to be a forum specifically for this release? Surely there should be?

I did use manual partitioning and it has been an absolute disaster. I wouldn't say I am at expert level but have been using linux for 4 years now and am quite experienced. I often experiment with betas and so on. I have had problems before with the odd bug in a beta but NEVER been even unable to install. And end up with a trashed HDD

This is the worst experience I have ever had with a linux OS. I have been happily using mint on one of my PCs almost since the beginning but something has gone seriously wrong in this edition. Very sad to see.
yeah mate this Release is quite buggy it seems..i was impressed with the live DVD and also it worked fine on Vmware, but when i installed it on real hardware, it got really messy, but never had a prob with partitions tho, but had several other issues so i had to ditch this release, lets see if they fix the bugs in the next RC cuz this one needs at least two more Release candidates i think...but hey this is all free so i cant complain abt it but....fix it soon guyz cuz i really liked the speed of this distro..and the interface.

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I'm not sure if this is the case here but Ubiquity seems a bit buggy .....
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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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Hi,

Different hardware, sometimes different experiences - NOT IN MY CASE.

First i have installed Kde Ce 5 RC1 Elyssa in my P4 - 2.4ghz - Asus - Nvidia - 2 hard drives -1 gb ram - Monitor LCD 15"
I wanted this computer to be all Minty - Gnome - Kde - Xfce - No problems. Just 2 little bugs that i can consider them not bugs itselves.

Now i've changed my mind. I installed Kde Ce R1 5 in another computer i Have
Core2 Pentium 2.2 - Gigabyte - 2ggram ddr2 - Nvidia - hard drive 500gb sata2 - monitor 19" LCD Wide Screen

No problems again. Everything went right more than i would expect Althouh the Live Dvd took 4 minutes running
to recognize all hardware, pen drives etc..Loaded quite good.

No problem with the installer, partition Edit (QTParted). The installation was in a good rocket speed.

Cons: My keyboard wasn't set right during the installation. Brazilian ABNT2 - It remained as US Keyboard.
I went to Kde Control Center and changed my lay out keyboard. Is it a Bug? Absolutely not!

Login Screen - username and password - it wasn't translated into Brazilian Portuguese
added userroberto - here it's imperative to click on - OK
Is it a bug? Absolutely not!
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My other partitions on hard drive are visible.

Perhaps i can find another bugs but i must remember that it's just an RC release.

VERY IMPORTANT:

I still can sound as a beginner but i care for crucial details that can save me of many upsets.

I might Know the real state condition of my hardware (specially - memory ram, hard drives, motherboard. etc.

I download an Iso. (wanna be lucky for not receiving a corrupted one) I check Md5sum out
I pick a blank dvd up and give it a look if it is perfect with no traces of damage.
I burned the Iso in a low speed and mark to check data record on Dvd. /CD
In general, I as an user making this procedures i may have good results and no headaches.

So, sit down on a chair behind my desktop, i don't need to go to any forum and started to
blame and damn a Linux Release if i had i bad previous behavior. Or in short, if somebody was
in hurry and very much lazy to set things right before trying to install a distro release. Blame and Damn Yourself!

Therefore, the KDE CE KERNEL is 2.6.24.19 - It's possible not be compatible with some
recent new hardware that have been sold in the computer market worldwide

Cheers
Roberto

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Rob Brill wrote:Hi,

VERY IMPORTANT:

I still can sound as a beginner but i care for crucial details that can save me of many upsets.

I might Know the real state condition of my hardware (specially - memory ram, hard drives, motherboard. etc.

I download an Iso. (wanna be lucky for not receiving a corrupted one) I check Md5sum out
I pick a blank dvd up and give it a look if it is perfect with no traces of damage.
I burned the Iso in a low speed and mark to check data record on Dvd. /CD
In general, I as an user making this procedures i may have good results and no headaches.

So, sit down on a chair behind my desktop, i don't need to go to any forum and started to
blame and damn a Linux Release if i had i bad previous behavior. Or in short, if somebody was
in hurry and very much lazy to set things right before trying to install a distro release. Blame and Damn Yourself!

Therefore, the KDE CE KERNEL is 2.6.24.19 - It's possible not be compatible with some
recent new hardware that have been sold in the computer market worldwide

Cheers
Roberto
Roberto - I forgive you your mistakes in English - you do well considering English does not appear to be your first language. Your English is certainly better than my Portuguese. However, I do not forgive you your manners which are rude to say the least. You might get more appreciation in forums if did not accuse people of being lazy or stupid.

For your information I followed all the things you have suggested (and more) before installing a new distro, including making a full back up of all important data - system files and personal info. I run a pretty successful 5 PC network. Two machines are "operational ones" where I run only simplymepis because that, and pure Debian, has proved for me to be the most stable of all the distros I have tried - even though never at the leading edge. One of these PCs is for general computing and one for web design - all coded by hand I might add. My third is a win XP box for testing my new web sites in different versions of Windows. My fourth is an excellent Mythtv media centre, running Mythdora. My fifth PC is the one where i try out new distros and generally have some fun...

I have probably installed and/or reinstalled at least 50 distros or updates of same in the last 4 years. I consider myself reasonably experienced and successful in using linux though there are many things I still have to learn. One is biting my tongue rather than responding when I see offensive posts like yours.

If you can't respond helpfully to someone who has had a computing disaster and is asking for help, I suggest you refrain from commenting in forums.

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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

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The only problems I have seen so far with my Mint KDE RC-1 install is that

A. Firefox3 crashes a lot. It crashes when I close a tab or window, after playing a flash video or flash-based game, which is probably due to a bug in the flash plugin, but it also crashes at other times and in other circumstances, seemingly unrelated to flash. While it works, it works great. Page loads are noticeably faster and memory handling does seem to be better, but the frequent crashes are annoying. I'm pretty sure these are Mozilla problems, and Adobe problems, not Mint-related, but figured I'd mention it.

B. VirtualBox works, but is more sluggish and less responsive than it is under Feisty-core Klikit, on the same hardware. There is a significant delay between clicking the mouse, to play a card, for example, and the system responding by actually playing the card. This delay is often two or three seconds. There is no such delay on the Klikit install.

C. I have been unable to get Internet Exploder 6 to install properly under wine or under Crossover Linux Pro. I don't actually use IE, but it needs to be installed before I can install my favorite CD labeler program.

Aside from those three issues, I have found no problems with RC-1. That in itself is an amazing accomplishment. Great work, guys! Ben
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arjay wrote:Does anyone ever reply to the posts here or it it just a place for an orgy of self-congratulation? The multiple crashes of Ubiquity and the partition manager have managed to trash my HDD during the install process even though I made no choices anywhere after name/region etc and just cancelled the install when the partition manager failed. Now I have a HDD that won't boot anymore and a useless dvd that took hours to download.

Just thought I might get some advice about what to do or at least an expression of sympathy or interest in the problems.
Dear Friend

Politiness? Education? Elegance?
Please read your post again

Agressive! Yes

Didi you read the forum rules?

Yes, i am a young guy and doing my best to improve my english.

Yes, I will quit the English forum and would like to thank eerybody here who has been good to
me. I will continue to run Linux Mint ( All Editions - Gnome, Kde Ce and Xfce) and Debian Gnu/linux

I didn't call you a stupid man in my post. If you have felt this feeling, please excuse-me.

Yes, Mr. Warren has done a good job on Mepis and the same goes to TexStar on PClinuxOS

Linux Mint (From Daryna 4 to Elyssa 5 (Gnome and Kde) work like a charm to me.

It's enough for me just reading the posts and get informed about the news. I like the
Linux Mint Blog and there i can post some short lines . :wink:

Best Wishes
Roberto

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arjay wrote:Does anyone ever reply to the posts here or it it just a place for an orgy of self-congratulation? The multiple crashes of Ubiquity and the partition manager have managed to trash my HDD during the install process even though I made no choices anywhere after name/region etc and just cancelled the install when the partition manager failed. Now I have a HDD that won't boot anymore and a useless dvd that took hours to download.

Just thought I might get some advice about what to do or at least an expression of sympathy or interest in the problems.
Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045)


I think your claim of trashed HDD is false. The installer will never write to the mbr (or any other part of the HD) without confirmation. You are not supposed to do Beta testing on work critical machines anyway.

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I think your claim of trashed HDD is false. The installer will never write to the mbr (or any other part of the HD) without confirmation. You are not supposed to do Beta testing on work critical machines anyway.
Wow - touchy aren't we? I never said this was a work critical machine. Now who is the one who is making stuff up? I have a network of 5 PCs, four of which do critical work. This is my one test machine where I play about with new distros or new software. As to whether you believe me or not, I couldn't give a d*mn. You must have a strange view of life if you think i am going to spend hours posting unnecessary posts about non-existing problems relating to an O/S now consigned to the bin. I can assure you that Mint, Knoppix, and Simplymepis live CDs, and Fedora 6 Disk 1 in rescue mode could not find the HDD after my attempt to install Mint KDE. I did NOT choose any options when the installer and the partition manager crashed. I just exited out and rebooted.

If you check for other posts on the subject on this site you would see how it was eventually resolved.

If you think there is no problem with Ubiquity I suggest you just search for bug reports - might make you think again.

I have no quibble with earlier versions of Mint - I used them (and still use them) on 2 of my PCs, and very good they are too. I know it is only a matter of personal choice but I prefer KDE to gnome, hence my wish to try the KDE beta. Sorry, but in my view, it just does not match up to earlier Mint beta releases.

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Re: Linux Mint 5 Elyssa KDE CE RC1 (BETA 045) is out!

Post by AK Dave »

Sounds like a hardware failure, coincidental to installing Mint. Perhaps triggered by Ubiquity. But not necessarily caused by Ubiquity.

Tell me please, arjay, does your BIOS still recognise the hard drive in question?

Another thing, arjay. You're not very helpful in providing specific pointers to exactly what you're referring to when you claim this problem is discussed in other threads. But google is MY friend, and provided me with this: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs ... 33235.html
From there I get the idea that ubiquity problems are TYPICALLY hardware problems, related to bad optical drives, bad optical media, bad ISOs, bad burns, or perhaps bad hard disks.

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Post by Husse »

I think you should calm down - there are some posts here that perhaps should have been moved to /dev/null
I don't think anything is written to disk unless you confirm it, but if the worst happens a crash could possibly act as a confirmation - sort of "pushing the right button" - extremely unlikely but...
I'm not at all happy with Ubiquity now, it is not possible to create an extended partition with it - I think that works in main...??
I then went to qtparted and created an extended partition, but qtparted is severely limited compared to gparted unless I misunderstand something. So I could not create a logical partition inside the extended. And after the creation of the extended partition it was not discovered by the Ubiquity partitioner, very unfortunate, so it was not possible to create a logical there either
But please understand we do not develop Ubiquity and we do not have the resources to use another installer
And when it works as it should it is a very good installer
It might be time to file another bugreport for Ubiquity
Oops post number 9001 - no wonder the keyboard begins to feel a bit shaky :)
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I installed just now - no problem with a partition prepared in main :)
However I discovered that it is possible to open Krusader in root mode without being asked for password and then within Krusader change and save sources.list without password - I would say ouch!
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Post by AK Dave »

I'm glad some of these wrinkles are shaking out with the beta. Seems to me thats the purpose of a beta.

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