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Why I am coming back to Mint

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I have been following Clem for sometime now (virtually) and the one thing I have to say has impressed me more than anything else about Mint is that the users are actually being heard.

Dateline: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:10 pm - Husse writes
"Not exactly a bug for Celena - but would it be possible to blacklist bcm43xxx by default as some people can't install - they get a crash because of missing microcode."
http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=34576#p34576

After fighting with a variation of this on the new Hardy Heron alpha today for HOURS, trying fruitlessly to blacklist from the boot parameter "module_name.blacklist=yes" to stop the new b43 module from doing what bcm43xxx used to do, I read that comment and for the first time in a week, I felt something - hope.

How is Ubuntu handling it thus far? Do not expect much, folks, the bug is still undecided and my guess is that it will get the treatment you see in this thread:
http://sudan.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=4319681
"Shall we file a bug against Jockey? This seems to be a regression or didn't it work neither for Gutsy?"
Another user's response of utter denial...
"The Restricted Drivers Manager (now renamed Device Drivers) is now in the latest updates and it recognizes my bcm4306 chipset using the b43 driver. Even simpler than in Gutsy - just run Device Drivers, tick the box and click OK and the firmware is downloaded and set up. Brilliant!"
That is coming from the developer's forum. Neat, huh?

Clem, I am begging you, please heed the request made previously, if humanly possible, help free us from the Broadcom nightmare once and for all by providing a check box, boot parameter, anything to stop this bug from coming into fruition from Hardy Heron. Please help us to be free of this in Elissa (Mint 5) as the Ubuntu crew appears to not be putting much priority into it. This bug is a show stopper as it means some notebooks using Broadcom chipsets that are integrated will not be able to use Heron at all. And again, I have been working with Ubuntu long enough to know when a bug is going to slid through - this one will.

In exchange, I am willing to volunteer my time in beta testing and anything else of that sort - you name it, I am here for your team where I can best serve. Not asking for a favor without the option to return it as best as I can.

Thanks for the hard work, everyone. ;)

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Re: Why I am coming back to Mint

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ctsdownloads, I feel your pain with Hardy development. I have reported several bugs and they just seem to shuffle them around without ever providing any answers. I have been involved in the last two development cycles and I can say without a doubt that I have never seen so much breakage in my life! In it's current state Hardy is a big step backwards in many respects.

I keep seeing references to Hardy+1 as far as features being completed. What kind of stupid move is that? Hardy is supposed to compete with Red Hat and Novell as an enterprise solution. How can they be competitive when they are going to release incomplete work? If I were an IT Manager looking at Linux at a serious level, I would not even consider Ubuntu at this point. If anything, Hardy is making Windows look like a better choice because of the massive amount of extremely obvious bugs and short comings.

When I look at Clem's road map for Mint 5, I can see he has a more thought out approach. The Mint tools are looking better than ever, they are feature rich, refined and user friendly. Clem has addressed many of the things people would like to see too. The new themes are one example. Mint has always had better hardware support despite using a Ubuntu base and I am confident this will be the same with Mint 5.

Ubuntu simply does not interact with it's community very well and does not respond to the needs of it's user's. Ubuntu could learn a lot from Mint development.

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Re: Why I am coming back to Mint

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The support and the compatibility are the reasons that I will not leave Mint. I am even pushing it on forums here there and everywhere that I find people discussing ubuntu.

Mint to me simply works and since I converted from ubuntu I will not be going back. If Clem decided that we were going to use Suse as a base engine I would stay. Whatever I am here.

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Re: Why I am coming back to Mint

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You do know you can just edit the blacklist file and add blacklist bcm43xx to the list and it will blacklist it for good right?

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Post by luke.varnadore »

Score another loyalist, this refinement is definitely what a lot of us have been looking for, I have a problem with the bcm4311 rev 01 and if I am able to get it up in Mint, as poor of a student as I am, I am going to donate!!

P.S. - I didn't even have to create a user account to post this? This is what I call open! Thanks Clem! (and website guy)

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Re: Why I am coming back to Mint

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@ jbaerbock
What is discussed in this topic is an error that appears before you have any chance of blacklisting.
Some Broadcom chips gives an error "something about microcode" before you are able to boot and if my memory serves me right you can't boot the live CD at all
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i have the same problem, at least i think so... in Linux Mint 4 which i'm currently using i have to define NO additional boot parameters to successfully boot into my Mint Desktop.
With the Hardy Beta, and now the Final, i have to add this to even get the LiveCD to boot: noapic nolapic acpi=off all_generic_ide=1
All this just to boot a LiveCD... i also had Ubuntu 7.10 (which worked great by the way) and updated it to Hardy Beta and boy did it take long to boot... it just sat there for about five minutes before i would see the Login-Screen.
Something in Hardy is definately screwed up... well, whatever happens, i will stick with Mint and i will gladly download and install Mint 5 when it hits the Public... my Acer Laptop is a Problem Child, and so far Mint is the only Ubuntu-based Distro that actually runs flawlessly, not forgetting the Fact that i do not have to install additional Stuff to listen to my MP3's or watch DVD's.

Thanks for Mint :)

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jbaerbock wrote:You do know you can just edit the blacklist file and add blacklist bcm43xx to the list and it will blacklist it for good right?

Sure, assuming it loads from the CD in first place. Heck, even using the Ubuntu alternate CD and the blacklisting boot parameter failed. ;)

It's a common misconception that this is an "after installation" issue. This is not a compatibility issue with working wifi, this is getting to boot from Live CD or just getting it installed with the alternate CD using every possible boot parameter known to man. It's a very real bug that was marked as solved. The reason? Allegedly this has been worked out by using 64bit ubuntu. Cool, now if the affected machines were just compatible with that 64bit release... [fixed] my eye, launchpad.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... ug/188282/

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Re: Why I am coming back to Mint

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Husse wrote:@ jbaerbock
What is discussed in this topic is an error that appears before you have any chance of blacklisting.
Some Broadcom chips gives an error "something about microcode" before you are able to boot and if my memory serves me right you can't boot the live CD at all

Oops, I missed that you already addressed this, thanks Husse.

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I am very pleased to say I never left Mint!

for what it is worth...
Linux Mint - Pure Bliss!

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Wait, so Linux Mint runs flawlessly with no hurdles or hoops to jump through to make it how you need it?

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Re: Why I am coming back to Mint

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Yellowbelly wrote:Wait, so Linux Mint runs flawlessly with no hurdles or hoops to jump through to make it how you need it?
Of course not. But it does seem to manage to avoid painfully obvious regressions release after release unlike Ubuntu - go figure. 8)

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it is very smooth on my machine - but again it does depend on the machine and components, etc. But it is honestly the best and most user-friendly distro out there. no bullshit.
Linux Mint - Pure Bliss!

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i can agree with the above...

i saw it, and thought i'd give it a try, and then completely forgot about it and installed ubuntu... boy, i'm glad i didn't stay there...

i don't understand how Ubuntu can force you to work so much after an install, when Mint has everything... the only thing i think is missing is that add/remove thingy... i haven't had success in making it look like ubuntu's one when i reinstalled it...

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I'm an IT professional, been using MS-Windows in various flavors for over 20 years now. After the wife's PC running Vista crashed for the third time in less than a month, I felt it was time to explore alternatives (or get used to sleeping on the couch). I evaluated 7 other Linux distros before settling on Linux Mint-- I chose it for its user-friendliness, well-considered layout and high performance (my wife's dual-core Pentium no longer runs like a 286). The wife is happy and I'm happy. In fact, last month I removed WinXP from my own workstation and installed Linux Mint on its own brand-new 500GB drive. I still run WinXP, but only as a virtual server under VMware GSX (it gets accessed maybe once every couple of weeks when I feel like playing MSN Spades, which only runs on IE). Given my background I never thought I'd say this, but I'm firmly hooked and happy using Linux Mint. Thanks, Clement, for a wonderful product-- this entire family has left Windows and isn't looking back.

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Nice and Welcome!
Linux Mint - Pure Bliss!

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Welcome -iceblade^ and Ballpoint Pendragon :)

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Re: Why I am coming back to Mint

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I just backed up my files installed mint today and had no problems at all.



I was a big ubuntu fan until i saw mint, it was like ubuntu which i loved but had an easier and better setup and i love it.


See ya around ubuntu. lol

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Welcome Thricemin :)

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Ballpoint Pendragon wrote:I'm an IT professional, been using MS-Windows in various flavors for over 20 years now. After the wife's PC running Vista crashed for the third time in less than a month, I felt it was time to explore alternatives (or get used to sleeping on the couch). I evaluated 7 other Linux distros before settling on Linux Mint-- I chose it for its user-friendliness, well-considered layout and high performance (my wife's dual-core Pentium no longer runs like a 286). The wife is happy and I'm happy. In fact, last month I removed WinXP from my own workstation and installed Linux Mint on its own brand-new 500GB drive. I still run WinXP, but only as a virtual server under VMware GSX (it gets accessed maybe once every couple of weeks when I feel like playing MSN Spades, which only runs on IE). Given my background I never thought I'd say this, but I'm firmly hooked and happy using Linux Mint. Thanks, Clement, for a wonderful product-- this entire family has left Windows and isn't looking back.
If i may suggest something, use IETab in Firefox. Spades should work!

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