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Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby SmileY » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:31 pm

Hi folks, i tried to search about but can't find anything related on forum.

Is possible or someone already have this idea?
To create a minimal iso installation like Ubuntu?
Also what is the benefits for mint?

And if it is possible to make a flavor with only a set of applications line windows in old days (Notepad, calc etc.)
Without some programs like transmission, office etc.

But including all features of desktop: Driver manager, ppas, and other cool things from mint.

Thanks for read.

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby xenopeek » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:33 pm

You can remove programs you don't need or want, after installing Linux Mint. Linux Mint tries to give users a fully featured operating system with programs installed for most major common tasks. Taking those programs away, certainly if you want to remove LibreOffice, doesn't make much sense and that is why there is no "minimal" ISO.

As for making your own I would wonder what use you'd have for it. Why not install Linux Mint and remove the programs you don't need or want.

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby Pjotr » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:06 pm

xenopeek wrote:And for sanity's sake, would you consider changing your avatar to one less dizzying :|

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby Cosmo. » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:10 pm

SmileY wrote:Is possible or someone already have this idea?

Yes, this is possible. And now the trouble begins. How do you define "minimal"? No text editor, no terminal, no picture viewer, no browser, no calculator, no GUI package management? And so on, and so on. Ask 2 people and you get most likely more than 3 different opinions.

SmileY wrote:And if it is possible to make a flavor with only a set of applications line windows in old days (Notepad, calc etc.)

And now you are at the point. Is calc needed for a minimal installation? Is a graphical text editor needed for a minimal installation? You are back at the question, what is minimal? And how many share just your definition about it?

Of course you can make this flavor, but the time which is needed - every half year, when a new Mint version appears - is the multiple of the needed time for removing, what you do not want. The relation between effort and result is insane.

Example: Following a current poll only a very small minority does use LibreOffice not at all. Preparing such a flavor for them would mean, to do that for every of the existing editions, multiplied with 2, because there are 32 bit and 64 bit architectures. That gives for the one or other edition a user base far below 1 %. But definitely all of of the LO non users also do not use a browser (or other things). So your idea would lead to the result, that we would have at the end several ten of editions, most of them for a few percent or even less than 1 % of users. Each of them would have to get tested and maintained. The effort for the Mint team would be tremendous, the advantage - if at all - would be hard to see. And the team would waste valuable time to work for the really important things.

I don't know, what for you use a computer, the very most users want to work with it and the very most users want to use a graphical program for their tasks.

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby MintBean » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:19 pm

You can of course do what you wish. If you mean can the Mint team produce such a distro, not going to happen. Mint is not targeted at being a super lightweight distro.

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby SmileY » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:32 pm

Thanks for repply again, i only post as mint minimal to install every package as you want.
For example a more simple system, like ubuntu core or something else.

In windows (I am not saying because of system itself), that comes with a short of apps.
Like:

Do not comes with Photoshop (or gimp)
Office (Or libreoffice)
Transmission (Or other torrent prograsm)
Nero (or xfBurn)

But, you can use as is, if you need later to programs like office, you can install it.
In mint, devs can make things using like a minimal iso, or a mint edition without some programs.

I can remove some pre-installed programs, but if i remember i broke my package system.
I hope users can understand my point.

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Mint team needs to make other flavor only to remove a suite of programs? LOL

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby Cosmo. » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:47 am

SmileY wrote:I hope users can understand my point.

No.

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby Habitual » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:34 am

SmileY wrote:I hope users can understand my point.

Again, It's Linux, It's installed and it's Free. Do what you like.

You don't need permission to make a difference, should it get that far.
You are not the first "modder" to come along and have a wild and grand dream for their version of Mint..

Do it yourself.
Get a kernel,write, code. test, See you in 5 years.

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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby jimallyn » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:13 pm

Most of us consider all the applications that come with Mint to be a feature, not a bug.
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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby austin.texas » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Certainly, there are arguments for the DVD sized live Mint. But, also, there are people living in areas where downloading is difficult and/or expensive. It would, quite likely, serve those people to have a CD sized download. And fewer installed apps means less downloading of updates. So I think a case can be made.
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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby xenopeek » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:39 am

You don't need to download upgrades during installation and removing programs would cease downloading of upgrades so that isn't an argument. Update Manager also lets users selectively apply upgrades so they can delay less critical (non-security) upgrades to a more opportune time to conserve bandwidth. As for people with download limits, I would imagine they would purchase a DVD or USB with Linux Mint (and make copies of it as needed for others) instead of downloading it.

But I think we're drifting from the topic at hand. Unless I'm mistaken OP is asking if it is possible to make a minimal ISO and if so how. Not if Linux Mint will do a minimal ISO, which as everybody I think already understands doesn't align with Linux Mint's ideas (full functioning out of the box) and comes at the cost of cutting one of the current releases (going through development, QA testing, beta testing, and maintenance takes a lot of effort and we will maintain the current workload — not add it it, so if there needs to be a new ISO it means another will be cut).
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Re: Mint Minimal ISO (Yes like Ubuntu)

Postby Citizen229 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:51 pm

If you want a minimalist edition it will have to be done with your hands, like I did :D

I got 17.3 XFCE fully updated and down to just over 5 gigs. I use XFCE cause its for a net book. And pinguy works good with 17.3 for repackaging into an iso after I gutted and updated. It may work with 18.X but I dont know.

wish i had found this post earlier. I desired what you want, so I just did it. And now with each pack of updates, i just repace into an ISO so I have a gutted iso to install with.
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