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WIFI with cabled router?

Post by boyo1991 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:35 pm

Im posting this here because I wasnt sure where else to post it.

I have an issue, my wifi dongle isnt very compatible with linux. I know I could look into thinkpenguin, however I have another idea in mind..

What if i had like a router that connected with my modem wirelessly and connected from my router to my desktop via ethernet? Is something like this even possible?

I dont want to use ethernet because my modem is on the other end of the house and I dont want cables flying everywhere as Im not good with cable management as it is.

Any thoughts?
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by athi » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:17 pm

You can use a media bridge: PC wired to media bridge-media bridge wifi to main router- main router wired to modem.

https://routerguide.net/router-operatio ... explained/
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by phd21 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:47 pm

Hi boyo1991,

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

What type of USB WiFi adapter do you have, make and model? It would help to know more about your system setup. With the network adapter plugged in, if you run "inxi -Fxzd" and "lsusb" from the console terminal prompt, highlight the results, copy and paste them back here, that should provide enough information.
boyo1991 wrote:I have an issue, my wifi dongle isnt very compatible with linux. I know I could look into thinkpenguin, however I have another idea in mind.
There are plug-n-play WiFi adapters (USB and Internal) available for Linux that do not require installing drivers just search Amazon.com for "USB WiFi adapter Linux"; those from "Panda" are good ones. Some that do require installing drivers are relatively easy to install and others are not so easy to do, and some will not work at all. Most Wifi adapters have a decent range and those with external antennas will work better. Approximately how far away from your ISP modem router is your computer?

Amazon.com: Panda Wireless PAU09 N600 Dual Band (2.4GHz and 5GHz) Wireless N USB Adapter W/Dual 5dBi Antennas - Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, Mint, Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora, Centos, Kali Linux and Raspbian: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/Panda-Wireless-P ... lectronics

Amazon.com: usb wifi adapter linux: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+wifi+ada ... nb_sb_noss
boyo1991 wrote:What if i had like a router that connected with my modem wirelessly and connected from my router to my desktop via ethernet? Is something like this even possible? I dont want to use ethernet because my modem is on the other end of the house and I dont want cables flying everywhere as Im not good with cable management as it is.Any thoughts?
If you get another WiFi router that supports bridging or repeater mode or wisp, and most do, and that has a range that supports your needs, then you can use that to connect to your cable's WiFi modem router and your computer could use either the new WiFI router's Ethernet port or WiFi.

I have a small mini portable travel router that I use for exactly what you are trying to do, but I doubt its range would be sufficient for your purpose although the manufacturer does make some with antennas and longer ranger and faster.

Nice and small router with antennas
Amazon.com: GL.iNet GL-AR750S-Ext Gigabit Travel AC Router (Slate), 300Mbps(2.4G)+433Mbps(5G) Wi-Fi, 128MB RAM, MicroSD Support, OpenWrt/LEDE pre-Installed, Cloudflare DNS, Power Adapter and Cables Included: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNet-GL-AR750 ... ics&sr=1-6

I have this mini router and it works great, but I don't know its range without antennas
Amazon.com: GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 Mini Travel Router, Repeater Bridge, 300Mbps High Performance, 128MB RAM, OpenVPN Client: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300 ... cs&sr=1-11
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They also make "WiFi range extenders" and some of those also have Ethernet port(s). Some WiFi extenders, boosters, repeaters, cost as much as a new long-range router.

How to Extend Your Wi-Fi Network With an Old Router (works with new routers too)
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-yo ... -915783308

Amazon.com: TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless Internet Router for Home, Works with Alexa, VPN Server, Parental Control&QoS(Archer A7): Computers & Accessories
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-AC1750-S ... FXP7E1QJ87

Most Popular VPN Routers & Best DD-WRT Routers Of 2019 List
https://www.flashrouters.com/blog/2019/ ... rs-dd-wrt/


The differences between a WiFi booster, WiFi extender and WiFi repeater. Unhappy with your WiFi? The term WiFi booster was a catch-all phrase for devices that extended a WiFi signal, including a WiFi repeater, WiFi extender or WiFi Range Extender. Learn how they are different. - Actiontec.com
https://www.actiontec.com/wifihelp/wifi ... -repeater/

Best WiFi Extender 2019 - Boosters to Extend Your Wi-Fi Range | Tom's Guide
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-wifi- ... -2225.html

Amazon.com: WiFi Range Extender - 1200Mbps WiFi Repeater Wireless Signal Booster, 2.4 & 5GHz Dual Band WiFi Extender with Gigabit Ethernet Port, Simple Setup: Computers & Accessories
https://www.amazon.com/WiFi-Range-Exten ... B07GT37484

Hope this helps ...
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by boyo1991 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:50 am

phd21 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:47 pm
Hi boyo1991,

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

What type of USB WiFi adapter do you have, make and model? It would help to know more about your system setup. With the network adapter plugged in, if you run "inxi -Fxzd" and "lsusb" from the console terminal prompt, highlight the results, copy and paste them back here, that should provide enough information.
boyo1991 wrote:I have an issue, my wifi dongle isnt very compatible with linux. I know I could look into thinkpenguin, however I have another idea in mind.
There are plug-n-play WiFi adapters (USB and Internal) available for Linux that do not require installing drivers just search Amazon.com for "USB WiFi adapter Linux"; those from "Panda" are good ones. Some that do require installing drivers are relatively easy to install and others are not so easy to do, and some will not work at all. Most Wifi adapters have a decent range and those with external antennas will work better. Approximately how far away from your ISP modem router is your computer?

Amazon.com: Panda Wireless PAU09 N600 Dual Band (2.4GHz and 5GHz) Wireless N USB Adapter W/Dual 5dBi Antennas - Windows XP/Vista/7/8/8.1/10, Mint, Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora, Centos, Kali Linux and Raspbian: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/Panda-Wireless-P ... lectronics

Amazon.com: usb wifi adapter linux: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb+wifi+ada ... nb_sb_noss
boyo1991 wrote:What if i had like a router that connected with my modem wirelessly and connected from my router to my desktop via ethernet? Is something like this even possible? I dont want to use ethernet because my modem is on the other end of the house and I dont want cables flying everywhere as Im not good with cable management as it is.Any thoughts?
If you get another WiFi router that supports bridging or repeater mode or wisp, and most do, and that has a range that supports your needs, then you can use that to connect to your cable's WiFi modem router and your computer could use either the new WiFI router's Ethernet port or WiFi.

I have a small mini portable travel router that I use for exactly what you are trying to do, but I doubt its range would be sufficient for your purpose although the manufacturer does make some with antennas and longer ranger and faster.

Nice and small router with antennas
Amazon.com: GL.iNet GL-AR750S-Ext Gigabit Travel AC Router (Slate), 300Mbps(2.4G)+433Mbps(5G) Wi-Fi, 128MB RAM, MicroSD Support, OpenWrt/LEDE pre-Installed, Cloudflare DNS, Power Adapter and Cables Included: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNet-GL-AR750 ... ics&sr=1-6

I have this mini router and it works great, but I don't know its range without antennas
Amazon.com: GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 Mini Travel Router, Repeater Bridge, 300Mbps High Performance, 128MB RAM, OpenVPN Client: Electronics
https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300 ... cs&sr=1-11
.
.
They also make "WiFi range extenders" and some of those also have Ethernet port(s). Some WiFi extenders, boosters, repeaters, cost as much as a new long-range router.

How to Extend Your Wi-Fi Network With an Old Router (works with new routers too)
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-extend-yo ... -915783308

Amazon.com: TP-Link AC1750 Smart WiFi Router - Dual Band Gigabit Wireless Internet Router for Home, Works with Alexa, VPN Server, Parental Control&QoS(Archer A7): Computers & Accessories
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-AC1750-S ... FXP7E1QJ87

Most Popular VPN Routers & Best DD-WRT Routers Of 2019 List
https://www.flashrouters.com/blog/2019/ ... rs-dd-wrt/


The differences between a WiFi booster, WiFi extender and WiFi repeater. Unhappy with your WiFi? The term WiFi booster was a catch-all phrase for devices that extended a WiFi signal, including a WiFi repeater, WiFi extender or WiFi Range Extender. Learn how they are different. - Actiontec.com
https://www.actiontec.com/wifihelp/wifi ... -repeater/

Best WiFi Extender 2019 - Boosters to Extend Your Wi-Fi Range | Tom's Guide
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-wifi- ... -2225.html

Amazon.com: WiFi Range Extender - 1200Mbps WiFi Repeater Wireless Signal Booster, 2.4 & 5GHz Dual Band WiFi Extender with Gigabit Ethernet Port, Simple Setup: Computers & Accessories
https://www.amazon.com/WiFi-Range-Exten ... B07GT37484

Hope this helps ...
first off thanks for the reply,

first off, after looking and digging into it and getting my hands nice and dirty, i have gotten the dongle to work but it slows down the rest of my system. i think it has something to do with a cache issue because i use a video chat room that really destroys it. so it really turns into a driver issue..

I also know there are dongles that work out of the box too, but really i wanna do this "because im interested" like i said, if i wanted to id just go to thinkpenguin and get a dongle.

as for your thoughts on the rest, its very interesting and requires some looking into, glad i know i need to find a specific hardware so i dont mess that up too :P
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by phd21 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:04 am

Hi boyo1991,

You are welcome...

You still have not answered, what type of USB WiFi adapter do you have, make and model? It would help to know more about your system setup. With the network adapter plugged in, if you run "inxi -Fxzd" and "lsusb" from the console terminal prompt, highlight the results, copy and paste them back here, that should provide enough information.
boyo1991 wrote:i have gotten the dongle to work but it slows down the rest of my system. i think it has something to do with a cache issue because i use a video chat room that really destroys it. so it really turns into a driver issue..
Your WiFi adapter should not be slowing down the rest of your system. It could be that your current USB WiFi adapter (dongle) is not using the best drivers or maybe missing some supporting packages, etc... and the information I requested will help determine that. Did you have to install drivers, if so which ones? Also, what video chat room and is that through a browser or application? Make sure the WiFi adapter has power saving features turned off.

FYI: Do not use Passive USB hubs that do not have their own power supply as they will not work well or not at all in Linux or worse work intermittently.

Hope this helps ...
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by CapraFan » Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:31 pm

Powerline ethernet is another option.

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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by boyo1991 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:43 pm

phd21 wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:04 am
Hi boyo1991,

You are welcome...

You still have not answered, what type of USB WiFi adapter do you have, make and model? It would help to know more about your system setup. With the network adapter plugged in, if you run "inxi -Fxzd" and "lsusb" from the console terminal prompt, highlight the results, copy and paste them back here, that should provide enough information.
boyo1991 wrote:i have gotten the dongle to work but it slows down the rest of my system. i think it has something to do with a cache issue because i use a video chat room that really destroys it. so it really turns into a driver issue..
Your WiFi adapter should not be slowing down the rest of your system. It could be that your current USB WiFi adapter (dongle) is not using the best drivers or maybe missing some supporting packages, etc... and the information I requested will help determine that. Did you have to install drivers, if so which ones? Also, what video chat room and is that through a browser or application? Make sure the WiFi adapter has power saving features turned off.

FYI: Do not use Passive USB hubs that do not have their own power supply as they will not work well or not at all in Linux or worse work intermittently.

Hope this helps ...
Its a netgear a6100, and it is the driver somewhere because when i have a clean install and i use my phone tethered my system works just fine, the moment i install my drivers it goes wonky. It may because the best support i could find was for ubuntu and not LM specifically. i used this:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1027094 ... ter-driver\

(note, i did not do what the OP of that thread did, I did not have any drivers installed, so i skipped uninstalling the faulty driver and continued on with his explanation.) its the only one thats gotten it up and running at all.

When that driver is installed, the system boots just fine, and starts out fine on the internet, as time passes, the dongle becomes useless and i cant do anything online, over even more time (i.e. multiple reboots rests and ect, so days) it starts getting picky on what websites it will allow me to visit (before it slows down every website)

So i just want to give up on this dongle, and find another solution, i am like i said using my phone as a wifi dongle with tethering and all works just fine, no issues whatsoever, but that gets to be a bit of a hassle, and i wanted an interesting solution like what i mentioned in OP. I could just get a dongle from thinkpenguin (as mentioned) but i wanted to tinker and try something else too lol

*edit

the reason im not posting an inxi is because it is not plugged in, nor is any driver installed (per the reason previously stated) so i dont want you to be like "well heres the problem, its not recognizing any device plugged in!" lol

also, caprafan, powerline ethernet seems pretty much like what im going for, thanks for the idea!
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by phd21 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:54 am

Hi boyo1991,
boyo1991 wrote:Its a netgear a6100, and it is the driver somewhere because when i have a clean install and i use my phone tethered my system works just fine, the moment i install my drivers it goes wonky. It may because the best support i could find was for ubuntu and not LM specifically. i used this:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1027094 ... ter-driver\

(note, i did not do what the OP of that thread did, I did not have any drivers installed, so i skipped uninstalling the faulty driver and continued on with his explanation.) its the only one thats gotten it up and running at all.
With the WiFi adapter plugged in, run "iwconfig" and check to see that power management saving is turned off.

I found these instructions which are similar, but I paraphrased them at the bottom below for using DKMS.

installation-guides/install-netgear-a6100.md at master · roboticslab-uc3m/installation-guides
https://github.com/roboticslab-uc3m/ins ... r-a6100.md
boyo1991 wrote:When that driver is installed, the system boots just fine, and starts out fine on the internet, as time passes, the dongle becomes useless and i cant do anything online, over even more time (i.e. multiple reboots rests and ect, so days) it starts getting picky on what websites it will allow me to visit (before it slows down every website)
That makes no sense at all unless power saving is on or that the installed drivers were not installed well. Also, check the Linux power management settings to make sure WiFi related power settings are not active, not enabled.
boyo1991 wrote:So i just want to give up on this dongle, and find another solution, i am like i said using my phone as a wifi dongle with tethering and all works just fine, no issues whatsoever, but that gets to be a bit of a hassle, and i wanted an interesting solution like what i mentioned in OP. I could just get a dongle from thinkpenguin (as mentioned) but i wanted to tinker and try something else too lol
I would go with getting another WiFi router as a bridge or repeater. Of course, I think it is a great idea for everyone to have a USB WiFI adapter (or two of them) that is "plug-in-play" with Linux as a primary Internet connection option or as a backup Internet connection option.
boyo1991 wrote:the reason im not posting an inxi is because it is not plugged in, nor is any driver installed (per the reason previously stated) so i dont want you to be like "well heres the problem, its not recognizing any device plugged in!" lol
There are other reasons for needing the results of those commands.

I recommend installing the drivers for your WiFi adapter using the instructions below with the adapter plugged in. FYI: If you do not want to use the WiFi adapter, you do not need to remove the drivers, just unplug the WiFi adapter, to use phone tethering or one of the other options because the drivers are only in use when the WiFi adapter is active.

To install this driver, open a console terminal, type in, or copy & paste, each line below one by one: Click "Select All" above command, right-click the highlighted command, select Copy (or Ctrl+Insert), click in the console terminal window, and right-click paste ("Shift+Insert" or "Ctrl+Shift+v"), repeat for each command.

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sudo apt install linux-headers-generic build-essential cmake git dkms

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sudo rm -r ~/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux

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git clone https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux.git

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cd rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux

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sudo make -f Makefile.dkms install

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sudo modprobe rtl8812au
If that does not work, run these as well.

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make

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sudo make install

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sudo modprobe rtl8812au
boyo1991 wrote:also, caprafan, powerline ethernet seems pretty much like what im going for, thanks for the idea!
"Powerline ethernet" is another good option to consider. I have read that powerline ethernet may have issues if the one powerline ethernet adapter connected to the ISP modem router is on a completely different electrical circuit than the room where you want to use the other powerline ethernet adapter. Maybe they have overcome that recently though? The cost of powerline ethernet is the same or more as getting another WiFi router.

Amazon.com: TRENDnet Powerline 1300 AV2 Adapter Kit, Includes 2 x TPL-422E Adapters, IEEE 1905.1 & IEEE 1901, Gigabit Port, Range Up to 300m (984 ft.), TPL-422E2K: Computers & Accessories
https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Powerli ... b_title_ce


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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by AndyMH » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:25 am

Instead of using a dongle why don't you put an ethernet card into your desktop. This is what is in mine:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... UTF8&psc=1
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by boyo1991 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:40 am

@phd21:
With the WiFi adapter plugged in, run "iwconfig" and check to see that power management saving is turned off.
this is why i didnt mention much of my experience in already working with this. Ive had a few threads, even on here to try and get it working appropriately and im over the headache of nothing working. i have given out an iwconfig plenty of times and have done lots with it. i appreciate your input and work to try and help me get it working appropriately but im beyond the point of hope for this device.

of course, this isnt to say i might gloss over this later tomorrow to see if its something i wanna do.. but i didnt want people to put in the work to try and help me get it working when im pretty much at the point that i dont care anymore lol

@AndyMh:

that was another thought i had, but i also just felt like if this sort of thing could work it might be a silly solution that id have fun putting together. Like i mentioned, if i wanted to id go to thinkpenguin and get either a card or a dongle from there. but i currently have a solution that *works* albeit a bit of a hassle to have to connect every time i boot the pc up its not the end of the world. im more wanting to unique solution, well, because of the luls. i very well may just fall back on an easier solution like this though.
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by boyo1991 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:34 pm

update:

the driver you gave me is the same one that i had installed before so i had low hopes going in. modprobe returns nothing no matter what i do.

i tried to install it with your post because it was a different way of going about installing it (check out the link i posted about the previous one i had installed) the same thing is happening even with this one installed.

Its like i told you, i really have tried everything. maybe theres something about that power usage or something? i notice my wifi dongle gets really really hot idk.

so im back to square one lol
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Re: WIFI with cabled router?

Post by phd21 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:54 am

Hi boyo1991,

As I already stated, I would recommend getting another WiFi router dual-band with gigabyte 1000 mbps Ethernet ports would be preferred, but even single-band with 100mbps Ethernet would work well too (I have this although I would love and prefer a faster dual-band WiFi router), for connecting to your existing ISP modem WiFi router which you can then connect your computer(s) and whatever else using Wired Ethernet cable or WifI assuming you have a working WiFi adapter; this is what some people call "Wireless to Wired".

I would also highly recommend getting a Linux "plug-n-play" WiFi adapter as an option to connect to any WiFi router and or as a backup connection option. Amazon.com and other places have these for as little as $8 for 150mbps WiFi adapter, $15 for a 300 mbps Panda 300n, $20-25 for dual-band 300-600mbps, etc...

If your existing WiFi adapter is heating up to the point of getting "hot" there may be something wrong with it. You can try another USB port to see if that helps.

You never did mention what the distance is from the room or place you have the computer you want to connect with to the existing ISP WiFi modem router which depending on the distance might require getting a long-range WiFi router or not or USB WiFI adapter with an antenna or not.

I really like, love, having my mini portable travel WiFi router because I can connect my computer using Ethernet or WiFi and create my own separate private network for my computer and devices to connect with using my own secure login username and password. But, my particular mini WiFi router does not have external antennas, so its range is limited compared to those with external antennas, yet it works great connecting to my ISP's modem WiFi router that's less than 60' feet away through walls and stuff.

Sometimes, I will boot to another Linux system for testing or some bootable utilities on DVD/CD disc or USB Stick, and their WiFi connection options are horrible or do not work even with my "plug-n-play" WiFi adapter and I can just connect my Ethernet cable to my computer to easily overcome that obstacle.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

Hope this helps ...

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