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Linux mint mascot.

Postby IUseLinucCusIsFree » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:58 pm

Well.
Linux mint needs some creature what will represent it. A creature what will be associated with linux mint.
In other words, a mascot.

Appealing mascot makes everything more liked. For example konqi and KDE, windows 10 has windows 10 tan https://www.ostan-collections.net/wiki/images/thumb/b/be/10-profile.png/200px-10-profile.png etc.

So linux mint also needs a cute mascot able to conquer hearts of people.
I'm bad at drawing but maybe someone here who has talent in designing mascots will try to design mascot for linux mint what will be used to promote mint, or ask someone outside community (Like TysonTan, creator of Konqi and Kiki)

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby MintBean » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:38 pm

Please god no.

I hate these childish looking mascots. The manga-esque female cartoons with the face of a child but the body of a developed adult in particular I think is an image Linux Mint and open source in general would do better to steer clear of.
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Personally I think even if done well, a mascot really adds nothing to the branding of an OS and potentially weakens it.

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Moem » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:47 pm

MintBean, I could not agree more if I tried with two hands!
If Mint needs to have a mascot at all (and I'm not convinced that it does) then I'd rather have a sassy Tux dancing in a Hula skirt made from mint leaves, or whatever, than one of those child-women.
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby JerryF » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:50 pm

I agree! I think that those types of 'mascots' like Windows Tan are just this side of the edge of perverse.
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby IUseLinucCusIsFree » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:13 am

JerryF wrote:I agree! I think that those types of 'mascots' like Windows Tan are just this side of the edge of perverse.

But mint-chan can be designed more elegant

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Moem » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:29 am

Personally I'm still not interested in having a decorative, fictional girl or woman represent my OS, no matter how elegant she is. That's not the problem.
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby IUseLinucCusIsFree » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:53 pm

Moem wrote:Personally I'm still not interested in having a decorative, fictional girl or woman represent my OS, no matter how elegant she is. That's not the problem.

But what aboit some fluffy animal?

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby sphyrth » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:05 am

Moem is quite consistent with what she thinks about OS-Tans. Back then, I had no real problems with them. But looking at them now, they kinda creep me out.
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby catweazel » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:40 am


Good grief. You want to drive people away from Linux Mint in droves?
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Jedinovice » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:44 am

No, no, I've got it! Mint Linux should go for the vocaloid character Gumi!!

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Why? Well, she's a state of the art hologram singer with some cool songs so you have the whole high tech thing mixed in with art, soul and creativity. Plus, she's sorta anime cute and she has green hair!

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She performs live in concert too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvejccCnEI

Of course, there is the small matter of the persona of Gumi being 100% copyright Cryton media and that anime characters with green hair look a bit weird as opposed to perfectly acceptable anime/vocaloid characters with blue hair and blue ties.

Actually... the whole idea sounds a bit silly now I type it...

Oh sod it, here's Hatsune Miku instead!

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Jedinovice » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:00 am

catweazel wrote:

Good grief. You want to drive people away from Linux Mint in droves?


A bit more serious post than my lost one *cough.*

I admit to being an anime fan and I agree that the 'tans' are a bit creepy but that's because they are voids. There is no expression or personality in the images.

Why Hatsune Miku has taken the world by storm (and she has!) is because the voice had personality and this became reflected in the music that was created for her and in the personality the fans ended up putting upon here - enough that I can actual personality type her (she's firmly an ISFP on the Myers Briggs typology measure.)

To see Miku in action as a person see here, seriously. Worth it. You'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBlTsvsPi4
And the outtakes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTQ3TNdPZrg

Notice it works because Miku has a clear personality!

If a mascot with some kind of personality or at least expression could be generated it might be acceptable.

of course, the trouble is that the likes of Miku have a clear function - singing and performing which kind of lends itself to personality. (Mint) Linux is a general purpose OS which does not exactly lend itself to anything that be that clearly associated with anything that specific or with personality.

So I have not actually come across a mascot that I can associate with ANY OS except Tux! So I do not know how much difference a mascot character actually makes. But I am always in favor of cute anime characters with character!
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Moem » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:09 am

Jedinovice wrote:To see Miku in action as a person see here, seriously. Worth it. You'll see.

Nope, sorry, that does not work for me at all. My previous comments stand.
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Jedinovice » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:36 am

Moem wrote:
Jedinovice wrote:To see Miku in action as a person see here, seriously. Worth it. You'll see.

Nope, sorry, that does not work for me at all. My previous comments stand.


It is my belief that computing attracts a very particular personality type as well - the INTP. I know because I was surrounded by them at Uni and spent 15 years working alongside them in IT roles!

The INTP type is very analytical, through and tends to value high intelligence over emotion or sentimentality. They devour information and can often speak to tech as if it were their first language. Er, so much so,sometimes, that I have had to act as the translator for the rest of the world a few times turning tech in English!

INTP's, er, tend not to be romantic. (Oddly enough, I have found quite an attraction to rock music among this type.) In fact, the INTP gets really, er, irritated with those they regard as stupid or irrational.

[Note that Linus Torvalds is almost the personification of the INTP including his colourful language. INTP's speak their mind and don't care what other think and do not suffer those they regard as fools lightly!]

Anime characters tend to be favoured by romantics. I'm an off the scale romantic! Although I have worked in IT in my time - in very technical roles in fact, my personality has always been at odds with the usual techies that surrounded me!

My tastes are going to be WAAAYYYYYY off, I figure, from the majority of users here! Also, anime is way more popular in the East where I am now than anywhere in the West anyway... though it is increasing in popularity after a lot of recent dis-satisfaction with recent Western media...

My point being... I was not really being that serious about a 'tan' - though I was about Miku having a personality - because, I would not expect anime characters to be favored amongst the Linux community! Not a hope! In fact, I would expect Rock icon/characters to be better favored! If one is seeking to have a mascot for the EXISTING Linux fraternity sentimentality is best avoided. That may be why Tux worked... That, and the fact a fellow INTP came up with the idea - Torvalds himself! And Tux was never intended to be cute!

If Mint is going to have a mascot... it would have to be something edgy I would think, not sentimental. More rock than anime I would suggest as a starter. But even then there would be clash between being 'edgy' and Mint as a friendly OS.

But I doubt, in reality, a mascot character for Mint is going to fly. I don't think most Mint users would ever actually get into a mascot character. If I were SERIOUS about a Mint mascot; I would just take Tux and give him a green hairdo myself.

As Linux Torvalds put when the 386 code standard was eventually dropped; "I'm not sentimental. Drop it."

I don't see Torvalds as an anime fan. Just go green haired Tux.

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby MintBean » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:40 am

Oh, the Mint logo needs improvement, that we can agree on.

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Moem » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:51 am

Jedinovice wrote: I doubt, in reality, a mascot character for Mint is going to fly. I don't think most Mint users would ever actually get into a mascot character. If I were SERIOUS about a Mint mascot; I would just take Tux and give him a green hairdo myself.

Tux is a penguin. Still not going to fly. :wink:
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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby MintBean » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:21 pm

Tux is an abomination, too. No cuddly toys please. Mascots just feel like such an unnecessary 'bolt on.' We don't want to attract any more bronies to Linux.

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby JerryF » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:27 pm

Jedinovice wrote:...
It is my belief that computing attracts a very particular personality type as well - the INTP...

I usually don't use such direct wording, but that's ridiculous. Everyone uses computer nowadays.

If you're talking about making Mint more attractive, you'd be wanting people from all walks of life. Not just the INTP type. INTP don't need silly mascots to be attracted.

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Jedinovice » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:50 pm

MintBean wrote:Tux is an abomination, too. No cuddly toys please. Mascots just feel like such an unnecessary 'bolt on.' We don't want to attract any more bronies to Linux.


Tux is a penguin. Still not going to fly. :wink:


I think my point has been proven...

:lol:

For the record:

(Over generalisation alert!)


Techies = INTP

INTP's
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DO NOT DO 'CUTE'

Whilst... INFP's
LOVE CUTE!!!
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They love bright pastel colors, anime goddesses, angels, rainbows and balloons, Bambi eyed cat girls, care bears and...

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Re: Linux mint mascot.

Postby Jedinovice » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:19 pm

JerryF wrote:
Jedinovice wrote:...
It is my belief that computing attracts a very particular personality type as well - the INTP...

I usually don't use such direct wording, but that's ridiculous. Everyone uses computer nowadays.

If you're talking about making Mint more attractive, you'd be wanting people from all walks of life. Not just the INTP type. INTP don't need silly mascots to be attracted.

Remember this annoying guy from Microsoft?
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OK, let me clarify a bit. For the record, while it has taken a while to get people into Linux, oddly enough, as I count the 'converts' every single one has been an INFP, excluding the local orphans.

Two of them are serious anime fans. Of those two one is going into electronic engineering so of course life is not so simple.

I concur that lots of different type of people use technology and Linux. That is a given.

However, if I may defend myself a little. .. certain occupations do attract certain personality types and the real, hard core techie does tend towards being the INTP type ala Linus Torvalds...

And they tend to be the ones who frequent (and moderate!) technical boards like this one! On a Linux forum I doubt you are going to find much support for mascot or cute!! As I believe I have just demonstrated!

A mascot might get more traction among other personality types including the hopelessly starry eyes INFPs (I suffer the affliction. :-) ) But one is likely to get better feedback on a mascot character on other forums which are more likely to attract the other types. I think you will find that technical forums are rather INTP dominated!

Discussion of a mascot caracter especially a TAN or anime char might be best done, oddly enough, on an anime forum. I belong to an AMV forum, though I have had very little time for it this year with the demands of setting up my business. Man, am I looking forward to next year when all the initial set up costs and work is complete! Heck, my Hatsune Miku tribute video is just frozen in development!

But I would also argue that I do not see how a mascot actually work because I think mascots actually work with technology. The only exception I can point to, and it's more because the mascot is the product is Hatsune Miku!

I have got the INFP's over by showing them what Mint can do and showing off my AMV's and then getting the prospective 'victims; to guess how much the software cost for me to create...
"$100" is the usual guess,
"$0"
?????

Then I demo more from there.

Tux has worked as a general Linux logo but not, I would argue, as a mascot and I fear that the techies working with servers, development, engineering and the like would scream blue murder if they were represented by a cutesy mascot! I think there would be mascot wars...! I also fear this would generate negative publicity for Linux. OK, i grant we are only talking Mint which is a desktop distro but I still fear...

As it is, I cannot think of a mascot character outside of Tux, which is more of a Logo, that I can associate with any technology. I grant your note regarding clippie but clippie was not a mascot character. He/it was more like Miku - a feature. And Clippie was loathed and despised!

Frankly, the real issue with getting greater traction with Linux I find is the ENTRENCHED belief that Linux is a techie's only OS which is really hard to use with no usable software. Then there is Windows inertia with people absolutely unwilling to move from Windows even when learning Windows 10 is harder move from 7 than (say) Mint Linux KDE. mascot is not going to the ignorant masses because they are, well, ignorant. I mean that literally. Joe Publis still has no idea what Linus, especially a distro like Mint, is like! They are still stuck with a vision of Linux circa 1999!

So... if a mascot character is to really be discussed for Mint Linux, I suspect the idea would actually get more traction on other forums related to art and design rather than here. I fear too many techies who would (and have) vomited over the idea!

But I must admit that while I personally like the idea of a green haired Gumi like (joke notwithstanding)character representing Mint... I don't think a mascot is going to make any difference to selling Mint to be honest because... I can't think of a single technical product at the moment sold via a mascot. Not even Apple has gone there.

I think more demo videos of Mint doing stuff is actually a better bet. At least they can be linked to when the Mac user insists that Linux is an OS for techies only, is CLI only, you have to compile all your code from source, yadda, yadda, yadda... Yes, I have had recent experience!
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