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Linux in stores anyone??

Postby xdicey » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:00 pm

Dream big; wish large; miracles still happen.
Know what would be totally, absolutely awesome in Canada, not to mention in my lovely city T.?
To be able to walk into Future shop, Best Buy, even Staples and purchase a computer with Linux Mint already installed or order online from one of those computer manufacturers. Then a newbie like me wouldn't have to go crazy trying to understand how to disable secure boot, how to create partitions etc. in order to install Linux.

Would it be a good idea to convince computer manufacturers to build computers for Linux Mint, strictly adhering to the Linux protocols of course?

The Linux word is out though 'cause at least one college in my area is offering week-end courses on Linux -of course I signed up.
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby ofb » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:56 pm

http://www.zdnet.com/article/dell-offer ... on-laptop/

Dell already had a kick at this can in 2007. Didn't exactly fly off the shelves. But really they did it to irritate Microsoft, to express just how pissed they were about Vista.

MS giving away Win10 for free has completely broken the traditional back-scratching agreement with manufacturers, so we /might/ see more Linux pre-installed. Then again, arguably we might not because 10 is now cost-less to include. And unlike Linux, it comes with a degree of professional customer support.

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby xenopeek » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:49 pm

Compulab is a close partner of Linux Mint and the manufacturer of the MintBox 2 and MintBox Mini. Powerful computers, completely silent, very small footprint, with lovely minty green colors :wink: Available in Canada through Amazon: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/purchasing/order-mintbox/. The MintBox 2 is in stock; the MintBox Mini is in stock from next week.

ThinkPenguin is another partner of Linux Mint that sell computers with Linux Mint. Visit the Linux Mint store: http://www.linuxmint.com/store.php
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby daveinuk » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:34 pm

You also have System76 in the U.S, I've heard them and I'm in the UK, they have some great looking machines with equally impressive spec's; Shame we don't have them over here but one day . . . . . . .


https://system76.com/laptops

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby DrHu » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:54 pm

I don't think it is ever going to happen, as there is no money for the stores in running Linux OS services
--most people will be able to find all the help they need online: forums/blogs, distro guides and tutorials
    By the way
    --the same situation exists for winOS, most users (should they look) would find plenty of INFO via MS, forums, guides, blogs and tutorials

http://linuxconfig.org/
    --example of one site that helps a Linux OS user

The only issue for windows users is their view that they need constant anti-virus, anti-malware and lots of updates applied constantly in order to feel safe in using their computers
--other devices (smatphones, tablets with other OS's IOS, Android, Windows 10X, ) have security issues as well.

Also i think online shopping is the place that a Linux OS can succeed
--that's a matter of marketing and persuasion of the masses that still respond to marketing
    The problem for a Linux distribution, is money
    --as they give the product away, how can they charge for it, unless they can market/persuade a business that it is necessary for best results !

There used to be a company that offered Linux OS maintenance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linuxcare
--since gone

IBM still offers Linux OS support under their ZOS system
--and you can get a cheaper OS running

RedHat has persuaded USA companies that having a RedHat service is of value to them


For a single distribution it would be an uphill battle..

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby xdicey » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:48 pm

Well, aren't I glad I posted. I knew about Sys76, even communicated with them but shipping to CA was just too much. I did not know about Compulab/Amazon. Thanks for that and all the other info, links and suggestions.

You guys on this forum are just great with giving your time and experience this way.

It's just awesome.
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby Chiefahol » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:11 pm

Linux is too complex, the average user wants something simple, they don't care about 'how' there system works they just want it to work.

The real question is:

Do we really want millions of noob users moving over to linux? Is it honestly better as a small community of experienced users?
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby xdicey » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:25 pm

With the need to know and the patience to learn, one can accomplish pretty much anything, uh?
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby Chiefahol » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:56 am

xdicey wrote:With the need to know and the patience to learn, one can accomplish pretty much anything, uh?


Ehh pretty much. With some things you will need to find "work arounds" or entirely new ways of doing things. (Like scripting your own solutions to problems.)
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby xfrank » Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:40 am

Some moths ago I bought a Linux laptop in a mexican online store (Linio). It's a Mexican brand machine (Abix), core i5, 4GB ram, with a very good keyboard and screen (14"), only the battery is poor (3 hours). Cheap price: 5200 pesos (around 300 us $). The laptop come with Ubuntu installed, I replaced it with Linux Mint Xfce. :)
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby xdicey » Fri Oct 09, 2015 2:35 pm

Chiefahol wrote:
xdicey wrote:With the need to know and the patience to learn, one can accomplish pretty much anything, uh?


Ehh pretty much. With some things you will need to find "work arounds" or entirely new ways of doing things. (Like scripting your own solutions to problems.)


Each one teach the other. I love this forum. You guys are awesome!
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby MartyMint » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:23 pm

Chiefahol wrote:Is it honestly better as a small community of experienced users?


As someone who attempted to get online help with Linux forums when I first tried installing Linux (Mandrake and Debian from the Knoppix disk) in 2003, I'd have to say no.

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby MtnDewManiac » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:05 am

Chiefahol wrote:Linux is too complex, the average user wants something simple, they don't care about 'how' there system works they just want it to work.


Lol. Does the average person who walks into ChinaMart (WalMart) to buy their computer really care whether it has Microsoft Windows or some flavor of linux? They mostly care about whether or not they can post every depressingly pathetic facet of their lives to Facebook with it.

Chiefahol wrote:The real question is:

Do we really want millions of noob users moving over to linux? Is it honestly better as a small community of experienced users?


Now there's a scary thought. I'm still a bit angry with AOL.

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby Chiefahol » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:36 am

MtnDewManiac wrote:Lol. Does the average person who walks into ChinaMart (WalMart) to buy their computer really care whether it has Microsoft Windows or some flavor of linux?


Nope.

They mostly care about whether or not they can post every depressingly pathetic facet of their lives to Facebook with it.


Yeah. :mrgreen:
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby MintBean » Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:11 pm

Do we really want millions of noob users moving over to linux? Is it honestly better as a small community of experienced users?
That's an interesting question, actually. Millions of noob users won't negatively impact me personally, but I guess there are certain headaches that come with popularity of an desktop OS. More focus from malware and virus developers is one possibility (although the other side of the argument is that Linux is already massive in the cloud).

Bottom line, I think we need all those users. They'll bring more commercial software to the platform chasing their $ and best of all, the more users, the more incentive for hardware vendors to provide Linux driver support, which has always be the Achilles' heel of the OS (despite the titanic efforts of the contributors who create open source drivers- not taking anything away from their achievement).

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby xdicey » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:52 am

. . . and anyway it will also prove that the experienced Linux users are always several furlongs ahead of the malware and virus developers.
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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby English Invader » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:08 am

Personally, I don't think computers should come pre-installed with Linux. I'm a lot more concerned about manufacturers removing the option to disable Secure Boot (something I believe should be opt-in at best).

Linux is about being in control of your own machine and I believe that consciously making the choice to use Linux and installing the OS for yourself is an essential part of developing that control. If people are given Linux as soon as they turn on the machine, it's no better than Windows because they won't be making a choice and using initiative to put that choice into action.

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby Tomgin5 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:47 pm

I have found LM at FreeGeek in Portland. In laptops, desktops and CD's. I carry a Live CD for 17.3 Cinnimon 64 and a flash drive for 32 bit in my glove box to give/loan to people I meet that are wanting to get rid of their Win10 or older OS running 32 bit systems. About 1/2 of those I let use it, try it switch to Linux. 6 in the last month.*= :idea: 2 more converts this week.

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby Instigator » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:22 pm

Will any mint boxes run modern high graphic games?

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Re: Linux in stores anyone??

Postby Amii_Leigh » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:46 am

Instigator wrote:Will any mint boxes run modern high graphic games?


Yes.
Linux can also run ancient games too :)
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