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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by administrollaattori » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:50 am

Just a question: How many times an average user need to write the password when he or she uses a computer?

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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by rene » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:52 am

Good question. Run out and fetch us an average user. We shall observe and take note!

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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by administrollaattori » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:33 pm

rene wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:52 am
Good question. Run out and fetch us an average user. We shall observe and take note!
I mostly write the password on the login screen, and if updates is available, I write the second time when installing updates.

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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by rene » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:50 pm

Poster above reframed the matter in the specific context of the "installation and configuration phase". I came in at Mint 17 and do in fact remember that the initial password flurry was enough to give me pause. What have you, login, mintsources to select a local mirror as directed, these days timeshift to set up backups as directed, mintupdate to generally first of all update mintupdate, mintupdate again for other updates since it restarted, login configuration, many sudo's certainly if you're new to the Darkebian side of things and googling together internet instructions, ...

Yes, while simply using the system the bother is (relatively) minimal and I moreover at this point am familiar enough with the way of doing things in Mint that I avoid the vast majority without even noticing I do -- but yes, it was my first annoyance with Mint when I was new to it: can as such sympathize.

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Re: modular security and counterargument

Post by janneh » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:27 am

gm10 wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:52 am
As someone who opposes your original suggestion I don't have a problem with this one here, on the other hand. But do you have any examples of repeated prompts? Because I'm coming up with a blank. A single installation should never request more than a single authentication. Your credentials ever remain cached for a few minutes afterwards, so even subsequent installations during that time frame don't require additional authentication.
I'm thinking more of the configuration phase, where you have to type in your password changing your software sources, installing your updates, for example. The password don't get cached, since there is no auth_admin_keep_global option in pkexec's configuration. I have to admit I'm little comparing it to the Windows installation, lucky I don't have to enter the Product Key. :wink:

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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by gm10 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:20 am

Fair enough. The solution to this could be to add a setup wizard that guides through the initial setup on first run. I had already suggested this in another context. But otherwise it's not really possible to accomplish - as you said, there is no global authentication unlock (and I would strongly oppose the idea).

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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by janneh » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:32 am

administrollaattori wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:33 pm
I mostly write the password on the login screen, and if updates is available, I write the second time when installing updates.
I have (with help from a script) wrote a .pkla file:
/etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic.pkla

containing:
[com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic]
Identity=unix-user:0;unix-group:sudo;unix-group:admin
Action=com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic
ResultActive=yes


which makes the second password dialog to go away for local admin-users. Thanks to Rene for the how-to! You can copy actions from the password dialogs and create respective .pkla files to tune your system. Hope this helps!

edit: note I have LM19 (Tara) on my machine, other versions may have different action names

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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by BG405 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:17 am

Interesting that the KDE team have added a feature to remember the password on some applications e.g. KDE Partition Manager, in the later Plasma 5 versions. I don't remember seeing this in LM17.3 KDE (Plasma 4) nor LM18.2 KDE (Plasma 5); I'll check the LM18.2 KDE system shortly.

Here's a screenshot, not cropped so people won't mistake it for a Mint installation:
Screenshot_20180928_121030.jpg
(Sorry it's a bit dark, looks OK on the machine itself).

I'm not sure at this point whether it's a good thing or not; I'm leaning towards the latter.
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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by catweazel » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:22 am

BG405 wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:17 am
Need to tweak the theme
Understatement of the millennium.
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Re: way to reduce passwords

Post by BG405 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:34 am

:D
The screen on that netbook is really bright. Turning it down makes it look dull and washed out, whereas this theme looks nice and colourful without eyestrain. The non-focussed windows are also faded, which makes it look worse than it is. Should have twiddled with the gamma in GIMP! .. or turned off the desktop effects :wink:

ETA: I've tweaked it a bit, hope that's better.
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