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Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:01 pm

Updates are frequent, every day, and often several per day. There are hardly any explanations of the reasons for updates. Couldn't the developer give the Linux user more information about the purposes of the updates?

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19..1 cinnamon

Post by Hoser Rob » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:02 pm

You can click on the item in the update olist and hit "get changelog". And remember if you've installed programs via ppa or .deb Mint doesn't really support them.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by all41 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:09 pm

Alvin wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:01 pm
Updates are frequent, every day, and often several per day. There are hardly any explanations of the reasons for updates. Couldn't the developer give the Linux user more information about the purposes of the updates?
Perhaps added ppas and software sources are why. Please open a terminal and copy/paste the following inquiry:

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inxi -Fxzrd
Then copy/paste those results back to this thread using the </> icon above the reply window.
That will provide an overview of your system and software sources.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:13 pm

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alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ inxi -Fxzrd
System:
  Host: alvin-Inspiron-660s Kernel: 4.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 
  compiler: gcc v: 7.4.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.0.10 
  Distro: Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic 
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Dell product: Inspiron 660s v: N/A serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: Dell model: 0XFWHV v: A00 serial: <filter> BIOS: Dell v: A11 
  date: 10/14/2013 
CPU:
  Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Pentium G2030 bits: 64 type: MCP 
  arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 11976 
  Speed: 1597 MHz min/max: 1600/3000 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1597 2: 1597 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics 
  vendor: Dell driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa 
  resolution: 1600x900~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Desktop v: 4.2 Mesa 19.0.8 
  direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio vendor: Dell 
  driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-60-generic 
Network:
  Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Dell 
  driver: ath9k v: kernel port: f040 bus ID: 03:00.0 
  IF: wlp3s0 state: down mac: <filter> 
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
  vendor: Dell driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: e000 bus ID: 04:00.0 
  IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 480.25 GiB used: 66.29 GiB (13.8%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST500DM002-1BD142 size: 465.76 GiB 
  ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB vendor: Generic model: Multi-Card size: 14.48 GiB 
  Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: MATSHITA model: DVD+-RW SW830 rev: D.02 
  dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw 
  Features: speed: 48 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes 
  rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running 
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 191.25 GiB used: 61.30 GiB (32.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 1008 
Repos:
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-dbgsym-repositories.list 
  1: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic main restricted universe multiverse
  2: deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list 
  1: deb http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa main upstream import backport
  2: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main restricted universe multiverse
  3: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
  4: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
  5: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse
  6: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ bionic partner
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-source-repositories.list 
  1: deb-src http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa main upstream import backport
  2: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main restricted universe multiverse
  3: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main restricted universe multiverse
  4: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports main restricted universe multiverse
  5: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic-security main restricted universe multiverse
  6: deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ bionic partner
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/skype-stable.list 
  1: deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.skype.com/deb stable main
Info:
  Processes: 190 Uptime: 12h 43m Memory: 3.73 GiB used: 1.41 GiB (37.9%) 
  Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 7.4.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.20 
  inxi: 3.0.27 
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ 

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:14 pm

All41: I appreciate your interest and have copied what you requested.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by all41 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:47 pm

Hi @Alvin
Next time you notice updates available do not install them, close out update manager, open a terminal and enter:

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apt update
That result should be telling.
Please post it back here between code tags as you have been doing.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:06 am

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alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ apt update
[sudo] password for alvin:         
Ign:1 http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa InRelease
Hit:2 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease              
Hit:3 http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa Release                              
Hit:4 https://repo.skype.com/deb stable InRelease                              
Hit:5 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease                     
Hit:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease                        
Ign:8 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic InRelease                                 
Hit:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease                
Ign:10 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic-updates InRelease                        
Hit:11 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic Release                                  
Hit:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports InRelease             
Hit:13 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic-updates Release                    
Reading package lists... Done                      
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
11 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ 

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm

I ran "apt list - upgradable" but no list was produced. I had already unchecked all the boxes in update manager.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by cliffcoggin » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:46 pm

Alvin wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pm
I ran "apt list - upgradable" but no list was produced. I had already unchecked all the boxes in update manager.
Are you saying you don't update?
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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:41 pm

I erred. I'll try it again, tomorrow. Thanks.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:38 am

All41 -

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alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ apt update
[sudo] password for alvin:         
Sorry, try again.
[sudo] password for alvin:         
Sorry, try again.
[sudo] password for alvin:   
Hit:1 https://repo.skype.com/deb stable InRelease
Ign:2 http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa InRelease                            
Hit:3 http://packages.linuxmint.com tessa Release                              
Hit:5 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease                     
Hit:6 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease              
Hit:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease                        
Ign:8 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic InRelease                                 
Hit:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease         
Ign:10 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic-updates InRelease                   
Hit:11 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic Release                                  
Hit:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports InRelease       
Hit:14 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com bionic-updates Release                    
Reading package lists... Done 
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
3 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ 

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:50 am

cliffcoggin -

I ran apt list --upgradable and received the following:

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alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ apt list --upgradable
Listing... Done
curl/bionic-security 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.8 amd64 [upgradable from: 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.7]
libcurl3-gnutls/bionic-security 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.8 amd64 [upgradable from: 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.7]
libcurl4/bionic-security 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.8 amd64 [upgradable from: 7.58.0-2ubuntu3.7]
alvin@alvin-Inspiron-660s:~$ 
What do you learn?

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Pjotr » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:58 am

All your repo's should have changelogs which you can read in Update Manager, except (possibly) the Skype repo.
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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Alvin » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 am

To all who have kindly replied -

My view is there are far too many updates for a system that claims to be more secure than Windows. I don't doubt that the "kernel" is relatively secure, but there must be other factors that require more frequent updating than Windows that make up the difference. No explanation has so far been received to account for the frequency. I have shortened my password in order to make the updating easier.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Pjotr » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:22 am

Alvin wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 am
To all who have kindly replied -

My view is there are far too many updates for a system that claims to be more secure than Windows. I don't doubt that the "kernel" is relatively secure, but there must be other factors that require more frequent updating than Windows that make up the difference. No explanation has so far been received to account for the frequency.
The reason is quite simple: rather quick security and bug fixes than the "ease" of a monthly "Patch Tuesday".
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 am
I have shortened my password in order to make the updating easier.
Not smart.
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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by cliffcoggin » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:28 pm

Alvin wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 am
To all who have kindly replied -

My view is there are far too many updates for a system that claims to be more secure than Windows. I don't doubt that the "kernel" is relatively secure, but there must be other factors that require more frequent updating than Windows that make up the difference. No explanation has so far been received to account for the frequency. I have shortened my password in order to make the updating easier.
You can change the frequency the update list is refreshed in Update Manager, Preferences. Mine refreshes every two hours yet I only get updates three times per week.
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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by karlchen » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:52 pm

Alvin wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:13 am
My view is there are far too many updates for a system that claims to be more secure than Windows.
Software updates in shorter intervals on Linux Mint than on Windows do not mean that the Linux Mint software is less secure or has got more bugs than Windows software.
How frequently the developers provide updates for their software and how secure or insecure their software is, these two things are not directly related.
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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by Moem » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:56 pm

karlchen wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:52 pm
How frequently the developers provide updates for their software and how secure or insecure their software is, these two things are not directly related.
I would tend to say that frequent updates means more secure, if anything.
But the OP should also keep in mind that there is a big difference here, apart from updates arriving as soon as they're available and not kept back because of a set schedule:
the Mint Updater updates a large portion of your installed software, not just the OS itself.
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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by all41 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:44 pm

Perhaps you are seeing flatpak or appimage packages updating, do you have any of those?

I also believe the repository update policy is a valuable feature of Mint, improving operation and strengthening
security. As soon as the issues are identified and mitigated they become available through Update Manager--not withheld and rolled into a huge set of patches.
Of course you can change the settings in Update Manager to only scan for available updates weekly, monthly, or even on Tuesday.

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Re: Updates to Linux Mint 19.1 cinnamon

Post by smurphos » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:27 pm

Alvin wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:50 am
What do you learn?
That it is an update to curl. A quick peruse of the changelog in Update manager notes that it's a security update fixing two CVEs. The nature of the security issue is outlined in brief here https://usn.ubuntu.com/4129-1/
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