Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

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Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by CharlP6 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:26 am

Hi all,

As the title may suggest, I am very new to Linux, 3days new. I decided to give Linux (Mint XFCE) a try after having some minor issues with Windows on a low-end laptop. Windows has two processes which I can simply not end which eats up literally 90% of my CPU power, RAM and HDD i/o.

So far I've been unimpressed by an annoyingly slow desktop user experience from Linux after being made to believe that Linux has fewer "useless" background processes eating up precious resources.

In Windows 10, even with those resource hogging processes, I at least have a very smooth desktop experience. Folders open instantly, instead of having to wait about a minute as with Linux and startup is about 1 minute with Windows compared to about 5 for Linux. The problem is that I cannot use any other software properly with Windows in that state, but neither can I with Linux.

I am not here to criticize Linux, I am here to explain the issues I have and ask the community for guidance on how to improve my experience with questions which I'll ask in the appropriate sub-forum.

I don't expect Linux to transform my measly 1.1GHz Celeron D with 2GB of RAM into a supercomputer, but I really want to believe the word on the street that it can at least improve on the performance that Windows has to offer me on such a low end PC.

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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by Pierre » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:00 am

even using Linux (Mint XFCE) may not help out:
- the biggie is the hardware - - that 1.1Ghz cpu, to be precise.

it'll be somewhat use-able for just text - but will slow significantly with any pictures / videos.
:(

and I'd be quite surprised if win-10 could do much better, either:
- again when using any pictures / videos.
how does it go, when watch Utube, for example ?.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by trytip » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:58 am

try the linux mint mate 32bit
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by The-Wizard » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:15 am

Welcome to the Mint family forums.
Most problems already have a fix
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If you need to ask please copy and paste the result of terminal code inxi -Fnx with your question
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I too have a couple of what are now considered low end units, so I use 32 bit xfce on those machines, it is a basic low consumption desktop.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by jimallyn » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:45 am

Welcome aboard, CharlP6! I suspect if you post your problems in the appropriate forums section, somebody will be able to help you solve them.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by Pjotr » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:57 am

Please generate an overview of your system like this:
- Launch a terminal window (this is how to launch a terminal window);
- make the terminal window fullscreen, in order to avoid chopped lines;
- copy/paste this command into the terminal (copy/paste can be done with your mouse):

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inxi -Fxz
if you type: the letter F is a capital letter

Press Enter.

Copy/paste the output in your next message.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by kc1di » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:45 am

Welcome to Linux Mint forums:)

I run Mint 18 XFCE on a very lowend laptop and it runs fine-- very little lag in response. so Something other than Linux must be hogging the machine power. Please run the terminal command that Pjotr asked for and post it here.

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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by mitchellk » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:40 am

Can't say I have had the same experience as you and sorry to hear you are not happy. I took a Celeron laptop last night 1.1 Ghz cpu with only 2gb of Ram which was utterly useless with Windows 10 (preloaded on it) it was so slow and despite 3 complete wipes and reinstalls of Windows 10 it was just lying closed and unused.

That laptop is now actually a fully usable machine, it boots up in about 60 seconds, it shuts down in probably 5-8 seconds and clicking on anything is very responsive. I used a USB installer method and Mint Cinnamon and I am like totally blown away.

I hope you find what's hogging your machine down, there are so may helpful people on these forums and actual solutions to problems unlike most other flavors of linux which lead you in circles for days.

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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by Nic-Mint » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:52 am

Hi, I run Mint in a virtualbox with very limited resources and I find it quite usable.

There are some things you can to do help:
- at the desktop level, turn off all widgets you do not need, disable effects and eye candy.
- turn off startup applications you do not need.
- manage your expectations. I use is as a workstation in that context. Which means no video, no music, no complex image editing... But to run editors, compile, work it is ok.

No OS in the world can speed up a slow machine, but you can get Mint rather lean, with a bit of effort. Otherwise, an upgrade might be possible. Adding RAM on older laptops is not always possible, or cost effective. But this upgrade will give you the most return (I did that on a Lenovo T42 and Mint 18 with all goodies works ok).

Result of inxi -Fxz would be nice.
And run "top" in a terminal and post the result. It is possible that some process is eating up your ressources.

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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by Crewp » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:09 pm

Welcome to Linux Mint, and the Mint forum. Your system specs are really needed for your situation. It has to be something else, I run Mint XFCE on some old Pentium 4 one with 1gb ram the other with 2gb ram and they work fine.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by TooMuchTime » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:11 pm

In Windows 10...Folders open instantly...
Not for me in Windows 10. I double-click on on a folder and get the message: "Working on it..." and it takes a about 5-15 seconds (usually 15) to load the folder. That didn't happen in Windows 7. And I NEVER have a speed issue in Linux.

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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by CharlP6 » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:59 am

Hi,

Thanks for all the responses. I have done as you asked and generated a system overview as seen below. I have started playing around with GIMP, just to test, and in that department I have to say that it's MUCH better than Windows, the UI is still annoying, and GIMP just suddenly refuses to open.
charl@charl-X202EP ~ $ inxi -Fxz
System: Host: charl-X202EP Kernel: 4.4.0-21-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.3.1)
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 (Gtk 2.24.28) Distro: Linux Mint 18 Sarah
Machine: System: ASUSTeK (portable) product: X202EP v: 1.0
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: X202EP v: 1.0
Bios: American Megatrends v: X202EP.201 date: 09/10/2012
CPU: Dual core Intel Celeron 847 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 4389
clock speeds: max: 1100 MHz 1: 899 MHz 2: 899 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
bus-ID: 00:02.0
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1366x768@60.02hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile
GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio: Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-21-generic
Network: Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter
driver: ath9k bus-ID: 02:00.0
IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8162 Fast Ethernet
driver: alx port: e000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Card-3: Atmel usb-ID: 001-005
IF: null-if-id state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (3.8% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HTS54505 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 253G used: 16G (7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.03GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda8
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 65.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 4100
Info: Processes: 197 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 639.0/1817.4MB
Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.3.1
Client: Shell (bash 4.3.421) inxi: 2.2.35

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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by Pjotr » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:03 am

OK, do these three things:

1. Install the latest kernel from the 4.4 series: Update Manager - panel: View - Linux kernels
Afterwards, reboot.

2. Disable all visual effects in Xfce:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... ts-in-Xfce
(item 6.3, right column)

3. Also apply some other speed tweaks on this page:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/3

That should improve things.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by absque fenestris » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:41 pm

CharlP6 wrote: In Windows 10, even with those resource hogging processes, I at least have a very smooth desktop experience. Folders open instantly, instead of having to wait about a minute as with Linux and startup is about 1 minute with Windows compared to about 5 for Linux. The problem is that I cannot use any other software properly with Windows in that state, but neither can I with Linux.
Hi!
Startups with this machine (SSD is encrypted):

Host: AspireOne Kernel: 4.4.0-45-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
Desktop: MATE 1.14.1 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.1)
Distro: Linux Mint 18 Sarah
Machine: System: Acer (portable) product: Aspire one v: V1.25
Mobo: Acer model: Aspire one v: V1.25
Bios: Acer v: V1.25 date: 11/28/2009
CPU: Single core Intel Atom N270 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB
flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 3192
clock speeds: max: 1600 MHz 1: 1600 MHz 2: 1066 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
bus-ID: 00:02.0
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: 1024x600@60.08hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2
GLX Version: 1.4 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes

12 seconds: encryption Password for SSD
35 seconds: for user Password + 10 seconds until desktop is ready

Absolutely no problems in opening folders etc. - little slow if pictures are bigger then 10 MB - stored video with xplayer works very well. Video in Youtube (Opera) shows the limitations of the hardware.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by pdhunter1987 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:34 pm

Hello CharlP6!
Welcome to Linux!

Good choice is choosing Linux Mint.

As others have said, the problem is the hardware of your PC.
Your clock speed and processor is very dated and slow, however it should be usable atleast compared to windows 10 and its effects and animation and such.

Definitely turn off all effects in system settings.
Maybe also try changing the default window compositor to something else and see if that improves performance.

This is found under "system settings" > "window manager tweaks" > "compositor".
Hope you work out this issue!
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by phd21 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:51 pm

Hi "CharlP6",

Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux Mint and its excellent forum !

There are 4 wonderful main editions of Linux Mint: Cinnamon, Mate, KDE, and Xfce. First, try the suggestions that have been recommended with your current Xfce installation. Then, you might find that one of the other Linux Mint editions works better for your hardware and that you like the most.
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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by blockhead47 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:52 am

I also have a low end old HP Presario laptop. I dual boot windows 7 and Peppermint but rarely use Windows. Peppermint does not run perfect, I get some occasional freeze-ups that I suspect are related to the video driver that I don't see on the Windows 7 side. I run Mint on my PCs with more modern specs, but my personal experience is I get better response on low end hardware using Peppermint 7 Linux. https://peppermintos.com/2016/06/peppermint-7-released/

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System:    Host: r3000 Kernel: 4.4.0-51-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.4.0) Desktop: N/A Distro: Peppermint Seven
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard product: Presario R3000 (PL986UA#ABA) v: F.45
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 089C v: 31.45 Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: F.45 date: 04/06/2005
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium 4 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB flags: (pae sse sse2) bmips: 6000 
           clock speeds: max: 3000 MHz 1: 3000 MHz 2: 3000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS300M [Mobility Radeon 9100 IGP] bus-ID: 01:05.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1280x800@59.97hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI R200 (RS300 5835) x86/MMX/SSE2 DRI2
           GLX Version: 1.3 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller driver: snd_atiixp bus-ID: 00:14.5
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-51-generic
Network:   Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] IXP200 3COM 3C920B Ethernet Controller
           port: 0000a000-0000afff bus-ID: 00:14.4
           IF: enp2s3 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 02:02.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-3: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
           driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 port: a000 bus-ID: 02:03.0
           IF: enp2s3 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 60.0GB (16.3% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: HITACHI_DK23FA size: 60.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 25G used: 6.3G (28%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 3.17GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 55.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 204 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 502.6/1885.5MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461) inxi: 2.2.35 

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Post by deleted » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:55 am

CharlP6 wrote:Hi all,

As the title may suggest, I am very new to Linux, 3days new. I decided to give Linux (Mint XFCE) a try after having some minor issues with Windows on a low-end laptop. Windows has two processes which I can simply not end which eats up literally 90% of my CPU power, RAM and HDD i/o.

So far I've been unimpressed by an annoyingly slow desktop user experience from Linux after being made to believe that Linux has fewer "useless" background processes eating up precious resources.

In Windows 10, even with those resource hogging processes, I at least have a very smooth desktop experience. Folders open instantly, instead of having to wait about a minute as with Linux and startup is about 1 minute with Windows compared to about 5 for Linux. The problem is that I cannot use any other software properly with Windows in that state, but neither can I with Linux.

I am not here to criticize Linux, I am here to explain the issues I have and ask the community for guidance on how to improve my experience with questions which I'll ask in the appropriate sub-forum.

I don't expect Linux to transform my measly 1.1GHz Celeron D with 2GB of RAM into a supercomputer, but I really want to believe the word on the street that it can at least improve on the performance that Windows has to offer me on such a low end PC.
I run 64-bit KDE Mint on a ASUS 1015E that has a similar chip and ram. I did put an SSD in it.
-Hinto

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Re: Hi - from a fairly disappointed first time user

Post by absque fenestris » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:55 pm

:lol: with very famous > bmips: 3192 I'm still hold the record in absolute low end PC... who compares?
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Post by rene » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:17 pm

absque fenestris wrote:with very famous > bmips: 3192 I'm still hold the record in absolute low end PC... who compares?

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jaguar:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor  : 0
vendor_id  : unknown
cpu family : 3
[ ... ]
bogomips	: 7.93

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