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just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by antoonna » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:39 am

Hi all , or in dutch , Hoi ieder .
That will tell straight away I'm a , dutch , old fool . But I'm also using , old and fool on purpose . Please let me explain . As a 60 year old , former teacher , I had my education in the early 80's and started out as a male kindergarden teacher . So most of my carierre I spent between , lets call it , pre-computer age children ( maybe not anymore , but it was back then ) and later , when I started teaching older children , for example , computer-lessons , the 12 year olds were way more computer-savvy then I ever was ! So for these lessons , the teacher/pupil part was utterly turned around ( offcourse for a good teacher , teaching and learning is always a two or more way process , or even better , a way of life and it never stops ) and made my computer-education lets say , scetchy at best , since the 12 year olds , back then didn't know mutch about computers either . Now this was not really ever a problem , for , then there was Windows and not even the teacher needed to know anything about computers any more and you all now know , why , I use the word , fool :!:
If only windows had not turned out being a problem in it self , then there would not have been a cloud and no silver lining , in the form of meeting this community .
Linux so far , has saved me from the continous frustration of my windows years , but also made clear the gaps in my computer knowledge .That and the fact that you are never to old to learn , is what brings me to this forum . :wink:
Cherish your inner child , or in dutch , koester het kind in jezelf .
Antoon .

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by Pierre » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:43 am

Hi Antoon,

welcome to our forum

there is no such thing as an "old fool" - just those who won't learn new stuff.

& there is also lots of Ex Windows Users about these parts.
Please edit your original post title to include [SOLVED] - when your problem is solved!
and DO LOOK at those Unanswered Topics - - you may be able to answer some!.

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by antoonna » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:16 am

Thanks Pierre ,
Offcourse there is no such thing as an "old fool" , but it is my way off telling , that the gaps in my knowledge are more or less profound and sometimes even astounding , For example , I learned how to , copy/paste , only just the other day ! But I'll be fine , no worry's .
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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by jimallyn » Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:58 pm

Welcome aboard, antoona!

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by lsemmens » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:59 pm

Welcome aboard antoona! You sound like a bloody good teacher! I'm sure your charges, over the years still look back on their time with you fondly. Welcome to the world of Linux.
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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by phd21 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:51 am

Hallo Antoonna,

Welkom bij de wondere wereld van Linux Mint en zijn uitstekende forum!

Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux Mint and its excellent forum!
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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by Kinetics » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:51 pm

Welcome Antoon from an even older fool. I have been retreaded (an old auto tire saying) a few times and now learning C++, Python and Linux (in retirement).

I hope this forum is good - I'm going to need it! :D

Happy programming,


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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by LuvNix » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:55 pm

Welcome to the Mint forums. You seem to have a really good attitude and totally agree about never being to old to learn. Think it's great you still have a real desire to do so too. You've definitely hit on a subject that can keep you well occupied and learning endlessly. Opensource, tech and gnu/Linux never has a shortage for anyone who wants to constantly expand their knowledge of technology. Think even people like Linus Torvalds probably still constantly learns things about the Linux kernel himself. :)

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by RollyShed » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:39 am

antoonna wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:39 am
Please let me explain . As a 60 year old , former teacher
Old? When you grow up and become old you'll know how to do things :D Why so rude? Being a decade and a half older, and possibly greyer too I've got to feel superior - Sorry, just flaunting what's left of my grey hair. At your age it was Susie or Knoppix for me and I had to wait for Mint to come along and be a totally versatile bit of software.

As for Windows, unless you were working on machine code (yes, did that) Windows was basically the only thing in town - as they say.

Computers - think of it (and software) as a way of keeping the brain active, mental exercise. That or crossword puzzles. :D

Copy and paste, I suggest learning a maximum of 5 things (a handful) Ctrl X, Ctrl C, Ctrl V - cut, copy, paste. The other two things? Possibly Ctrl Z to go back a step - when you didn't want to do what you did. And the fifth one? Any suggestions?

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by WharfRat » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:22 pm

Hello Antoon Image

Welcome to Linux Mint and the Linux Mint forum :)

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by antoonna » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:33 am

Hoi WharfRat, ( or RollyShed , or Anybody ? )
It completely escapes me what is so rude about calling myself an idiot , espescially when I explain , I just , feel , like an idiot , when trying to convey my problems in a language that is not my mother tongue and being a windows addict . Meaning I have had NO prior experience , what so ever with , any form of computercode .
Now , being new to Linux , Firefox , Mozilla and Hexchat , I'm experiencing mayor problems ( nothing works well in Firefox , not even e-mail ( protonmail ! ) and it is getting worse by the minute ) and when I try to get help on Hex ( for weeks now ), nobody seems to take any reponsibillity for helping me , more then 3 minutes . Witch offcourse is just not long enough . And when I ask somebody : Sorry , but , do you have to go in the next few minutes ? ( Witch at that point happened more then 5 times allready )The answer was , GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE ! Now I'm NOT an idiot and I do know what that means . ( btw I've not been warned or anything , by a moderator ) Then the 2d issue I'm experiencing , is the fact that , in this "3 minutes" , that people have time for me , I also have to explain , my problem(s) over and over again , for they are new people every time , or , because they are chatting on 5 different sites at the same time , to 10 different people . And then last but not least , by calling myself an idiot , I was also trying to provoce , lets just say , the simplest answer first . Now I have to admit , there I failed miserably as well . But I DO NOT KNOW the simplest answer , now do I ? And I'll give you an example . My first try on Hex , I said , Can somebody , please , help me , my YouTube video's are stopping and going all the time , it drives me mad . ( btw not just YouTube but , films , tv , live-streaming , everything keeps on stopping and going , ON Firefox ) Now , people where very nice and helpfull , even patient with me , learned me , how and where to put in computercode and stuff , Gave me all sorts off commands to try out , but the problem kept getting worse ( I have 100 or more pages , faults logged by now , I've learned that to ) , but no one told me , " just download , Google chrome and play YouTube in there " , witch by now , I've learned myself , is the simplest and only , working solution to my stop and go problem . In Google , ( btw , my 5th suggestion , as RollyShed asked ) YouTube works fine , I even have the subtitles back , witch is very important to me , for I'm also a deaf person by now . ( not just , an idiot ).
Oke , RollyShed , WharfRat , thank you for your reaction , sorry for not knowing who , Susie and Knoppix are , thanks for teaching me a alternative way off , copying and pasting , But could you , please , tell me , where or how , I get help with a total computer clean up ? Or , where or how , do I get rid off , all these pages with faults , that by now , are even invading Google ! And by now I also know I should not use capitals , BUT I NEED HELP ! I'm getting desperate !

So , thanks , all , for giving me a warm welcome , here below . I am very sorry to have to dampen your enthusiasm for Linux , Firefox , Mozilla and Hexchat ,
but by now , I am in bigger trouble then I ever was , in bloody windows AND I am getting less and worse help with my computer problems , then from a bloody indian/microsoft/callcenter !
Deep , deep . sigh !

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by kc1di » Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:54 am

Hello antoonna,
Welcome to Linux Mint Forums.
Enjoy the learning :)
Easy tips : https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/
Linux Mint Installation Guide: http://linuxmint-installation-guide.rea ... en/latest/
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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn .

Post by Moem » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:33 am

Hello Antoon,
As you found out, the IRC chat (that can be reached though Hexchat) is not the best option for cases that take a little longer to solve. You'll get better results from posting your questions on this forum.

Suse and Knoppix are different distributions (= versions) of Linux.

Can you tell us about 'all these pages with faults' on your computer? Where are you seeing them?

If your issue is solved, kindly indicate that by editing the first post in the topic, and adding [SOLVED] to the title. Thanks!

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Re: just an old fool , still eager to learn . Fout pagina's.

Post by antoonna » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:14 am

Hoi Moem ,
Toen ik die pagina's zag in de hectiek van Hex , had ik ook nog maar net kennis gemaakt met de terminal , zelfs net wat commando's gekopieerd ,
Ik dacht dus dat ik ze , daar had gezien en dat zorgde voor de nodige paniek bij mij . Ik dacht dat er echt niks meer aan te doen was , tenminste voor mij .
Nu , in alle rust , blijkt het , de logboeken , te zijn . Die zijn ook enig sinds te lezen , voor mij , niet alleen maar computercode en dan blijkt het toch allemaal minder erg . Je ziet ook wat de laptop gewoon al moet doen , van minuut tot minuut en daarom dacht ik dus met meer dan 100 pagina's problemen te zitten .
Ik probeer de bladzijde's , belangrijk , te downloaden , dat lukt denk ik maar bij 1 . Die ga ik nu hier proberen toe te voegen
Geen flauw idee of en wat er gelukt is , ik kan niks meer terug vinden , hier . Als het goed is heb ik alles wat ik kan vinden , aan downloads van nu vanmiddag 2x meegestuurd , maar ik , kan ze niet hier meer vinden . Even voorbeeld kijken .
Dat voorbeeld kijken pikt , de site , niet en als ik hem indien , gooit hij de tekst een beetje door elkaar , dus ik heb hem nu weer "terug genomen" en ik ga nu het hele proces , belangrijke pagina's downloaden in bestand , bestand als bijlage meesturen , gewoon nog een keer doen , want ik kan nergens die eerdere bestanden , hier meer vinden .
Nou voor een derde keer weer een beetje anders geprobeerd , maar ik zie hier maar niks aankomen .
Ik weet het niet meer , maar geen paniek , ik ga nu maar rustig , jouw/iemands reactie afwachten en blijf de site checken , laturs jongens .
Husselt de site de ingediende tekst , opnieuw ... koester het kind in jezelf
Voor de 4 de keer terug , wat de site nu ( of mijn laptop ? ) doet is , mijn in het Nederlands geschreven tekst vertalen in het Engels en daarna in mijn voorbeeld het weer in het Nederlands terug vertalen . ( ik snapte dat husselen al niet ) , maar ik kan nu echt niet meer beoordelen , wat voor een tekst , jullie nu te zien gaan krijgen , dus nu maar gewoon ... hapje eten ... Koester het kind in jezelf ... Antoon .
Dag later opnieuw geprobeerd die fout pagina´s toe te voegen , maar ik zie ze hier maar niet verschijnen , kan iemand me vertellen wat ik fout doe ?
De gehusselde tekst was gewoon aan en uit springende Google vertaal , is nu uit , maar ik weet niet waarom die dat deed ?antoon@antoon-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ inxi -h
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by one. Examples: inxi -v4 -c6 OR inxi -bDc 6. If you start inxi with no
arguments, it will show the short form.

The following options if used without -F, -b, or -v will show just option
line(s): A, B, C, D, G, I, M, N, P, R, S, f, i, m, n, o, p, l, u, r, s, t -
you can use these alone or together to show just the line(s) you want to see.
If you use them with -v [level], -b or -F, it will show the full output for
that line along with the output for the chosen verbosity level.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Output Control Options:
-A Audio/sound card information.
-b Basic output, short form. Like inxi -v 2, only minus hard disk names .
-B Battery info, shows charge, condition, plus extra information (if
battery present).
-c Color schemes. Scheme number is required. Color selectors run a color
selector option prior to inxi starting which lets you set the config
file value for the selection.
Supported color schemes: 0-42 Example: inxi -c 11
Color selectors for each type display (NOTE: irc and global only show
safe color set):
94 Console, out of X
95 Terminal, running in X - like xTerm
96 Gui IRC, running in X - like Xchat, Quassel, Konversation etc.
97 Console IRC running in X - like irssi in xTerm
98 Console IRC not in X
99 Global - Overrides/removes all settings. Setting specific removes
-C CPU output, including per CPU clockspeed and max CPU speed (if
-d Optical drive data (and floppy disks, if present). Same as -Dd. See
also -x and -xx.
-D Full hard Disk info, not only model, ie: /dev/sda ST380817AS 80.0GB.
See also -x and -xx. Disk total used percentage includes swap partition
-f All cpu flags, triggers -C. Not shown with -F to avoid spamming. ARM
cpus show 'features'.
-F Full output for inxi. Includes all Upper Case line letters, plus -s and
-n. Does not show extra verbose options like -d -f -l -m -o -p -r -t -u
-G Graphic card information (card, display server type/version,
resolution, renderer, OpenGL version).
-i Wan IP address, and shows local interfaces (requires ifconfig network
tool). Same as -Nni. Not shown with -F for user security reasons, you
shouldn't paste your local/wan IP.
-I Information: processes, uptime, memory, irc client (or shell type),
inxi version.
-l Partition labels. Default: short partition -P. For full -p output, use:
-pl (or -plu).
-m Memory (RAM) data. Physical system memory array(s), capacity, how many
devices (slots) supported, and individual memory devices (sticks of
memory etc). For devices, shows device locator, size, speed, type
(like: DDR3). If neither -I nor -tm are selected, also shows ram
used/total. Also see -x, -xx, -xxx
-M Machine data. Device type (desktop, server, laptop, VM etc.),
Motherboard, Bios, and if present, System Builder (Like Lenovo). Shows
UEFI/BIOS/UEFI [Legacy]. Older systems/kernels without the required
/sys data can use dmidecode instead, run as root. Dmidecode can be
forced with -! 33
-n Advanced Network card information. Same as -Nn. Shows interface, speed,
mac id, state, etc.
-N Network card information. With -x, shows PCI BusID, Port number.
-o Unmounted partition information (includes UUID and LABEL if available).
Shows file system type if you have file installed, if you are root OR
if you have added to /etc/sudoers (sudo v. 1.7 or newer)
Example: <username> ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/file
-p Full partition information (-P plus all other detected partitions).
-P Basic partition information (shows what -v 4 would show, but without
extra data). Shows, if detected: / /boot /home /opt /tmp /usr /var
/var/log /var/tmp . Use -p to see all mounted partitions.
-r Distro repository data. Supported repo types: APK; APT; PACMAN; PISI;
-R RAID data. Shows RAID devices, states, levels, and components, and
extra data with -x/-xx. md-raid: If device is resyncing, shows resync
progress line as well.
-s Sensors output (if sensors installed/configured): mobo/cpu/gpu temp;
detected fan speeds. Gpu temp only for Fglrx/Nvidia drivers. Nvidia
shows screen number for > 1 screens.
-S System information: host name, kernel, desktop environment (if in X),
-t Processes. Requires extra options: c (cpu) m (memory) cm (cpu+memory).
If followed by numbers 1-20, shows that number of processes for each
type (default: 5; if in irc, max: 5): -t cm10
Make sure to have no space between letters and numbers (-t cm10 -
right, -t cm 10 - wrong).
-u Partition UUIDs. Default: short partition -P. For full -p output, use:
-pu (or -plu).
-v Script verbosity levels. Verbosity level number is required. Should not
be used with -b or -F
Supported levels: 0-7 Example: inxi -v 4
0 Short output, same as: inxi
1 Basic verbose, -S + basic CPU + -G + basic Disk + -I.
2 Networking card (-N), Machine (-M) data, if present, Battery
(-B), basic hard disk data (names only), and, if present, basic
raid (devices only, and if inactive, notes that). similar to:
inxi -b
3 Advanced CPU (-C), battery, network (-n) data, and switches on -x
advanced data option.
4 Partition size/filled data (-P) for (if present): /, /home,
/var/, /boot. Shows full disk data (-D).
5 Audio card (-A); sensors (-s), memory/ram (-m), partition
label (-l) and UUID (-u), short form of optical drives, standard
raid data (-R).
6 Full partition (-p), unmounted partition (-o), optical drive
(-d), full raid; triggers -xx.
7 Network IP data (-i); triggers -xxx.
-w Local weather data/time. To check an alternate location, see:
-W <location>. For extra weather data options see -x, -xx, and -xxx.
-W <location> Supported options for <location>: postal code; city,
state/country; latitude, longitude. Only use if you want the weather
somewhere other than the machine running inxi. Use only ascii
characters, replace spaces in city/state/country names with '+'.
Example: inxi -W new+york,ny
-x Adds the following extra data (only works with verbose or line output,
not short form):
-B Vendor/model, status (if available)
-C CPU Flags, Bogomips on Cpu;CPU microarchitecture / revision if
found, like: (Sandy Bridge rev.2)
-d Extra optical drive data; adds rev version to optical drive.
-D Hdd temp with disk data if you have hddtemp installed, if you are
root OR if you have added to /etc/sudoers (sudo v. 1.7 or newer)
Example: <username> ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/hddtemp
-G Direct rendering status for Graphics (in X).
-G (for single gpu, nvidia driver) screen number gpu is running on.
-i For IPv6, show additional IP v6 scope addresses: Global, Site,
Temporary, Unknown.
-I System GCC, default. With -xx, also show other installed GCC
versions. If running in console, not in IRC client, shows shell
version number, if detected. Init/RC Type and runlevel (if
-m Part number; Max memory module size (if available).
-N -A Version/port(s)/driver version (if available) for Network/Audio;
-N -A -G Network, audio, graphics, shows PCI Bus ID/Usb ID number of card.
-R md-raid: Shows component raid id. Adds second RAID Info line:
raid level; report on drives (like 5/5); blocks; chunk size;
bitmap (if present). Resync line, shows blocks synced/total
blocks. zfs-raid: Shows raid array full size; available size;
portion allocated to RAID
-S Desktop toolkit if available (GNOME/XFCE/KDE only); Kernel gcc
-t Memory use output to cpu (-xt c), and cpu use to memory (-xt m).
-w -W Wind speed and time zone (-w only).
-xx Show extra, extra data (only works with verbose or line output, not
short form):
-A Chip vendor:product ID for each audio device.
-B serial number, voltage (if available).
-C Minimum CPU speed, if available.
-D Disk serial number; Firmware rev. if available.
-G Chip vendor:product ID for each video card; (mir/wayland only)
compositor (alpha test); OpenGL compatibility version, if free
drivers and available.
-I Other detected installed gcc versions (if present). System
default runlevel. Adds parent program (or tty) for shell info if
not in IRC (like Konsole or Gterm). Adds Init/RC (if found)
version number.
-m Manufacturer, Serial Number, single/double bank (if found).
-M Chassis information, bios rom size (dmidecode only), if data for
either is available.
-N Chip vendor:product ID for each nic.
-R md-raid: Superblock (if present); algorythm, U data. Adds system
info line (kernel support,read ahead, raid events). If present,
adds unused device line. Resync line, shows progress bar.
-S Display manager (dm) in desktop output, if in X (like kdm, gdm3,
-w -W Humidity, barometric pressure.
-@ 11-14 Automatically uploads debugger data tar.gz file to
ftp.techpatterns.com. EG: inxi -xx@14
-xxx Show extra, extra, extra data (only works with verbose or line output,
not short form):
-B chemistry, cycles, location (if available).
-m Width of memory bus, data and total (if present and greater than
data); Detail, if present, for Type; module voltage, if
-S Panel/shell information in desktop output, if in X (like
gnome-shell, cinnamon, mate-panel).
-w -W Location (uses -z/irc filter), weather observation time, wind
chill, heat index, dew point (shows extra lines for data where
-y Required extra option: integer, 80 or greater. Set the output line
width max. Overrides IRC/Terminal settings or actual widths. If used
with -h, put -y option first. Example: inxi -y 130
-z Security filters for IP/Mac addresses, location, user home directory
name. Default on for irc clients.
-Z Absolute override for output filters. Useful for debugging networking
issues in irc for example.

Additional Options:
-h --help This help menu.
-H This help menu, plus developer options. Do not use dev options
in normal operation!
--recommends Checks inxi application dependencies + recommends, and
directories, then shows what package(s) you need to install to
add support for that feature.
-V --version inxi version information. Prints information then exits.

Debugging Options:
-% Overrides defective or corrupted data.
-@ Triggers debugger output. Requires debugging level 1-14 (8-10 - logging
of data). Less than 8 just triggers inxi debugger output on screen.
1-7 On screen debugger output
8 Basic logging
9 Full file/sys info logging
10 Color logging.
The following create a tar.gz file of system data, plus collecting the
inxi output to file. To automatically upload debugger data tar.gz file
to ftp.techpatterns.com: inxi -xx@ <11-14>
For alternate ftp upload locations:
Example: inxi -! ftp.yourserver.com/incoming -xx@ 14
11 With data file of tree traverse read of /sys.
12 With xorg conf and log data, xrandr, xprop, xdpyinfo, glxinfo etc.
13 With data from dev, disks, partitions, etc., plus /sys tree
traverse data file.
14 Everything, full data collection.

Advanced Options:
-! 31 Turns off hostname in output. Useful if showing output from servers etc.
-! 32 Turns on hostname in output. Overrides global B_SHOW_HOST='false'
-! 33 Forces use of dmidecode data instead of /sys where relevant (-M).
-! 34 Skips SSL certificate checks for all downloader activies
(wget/fetch/curl only). Must go before other options.
-! 40 Will try to get display data out of X. Default gets it from display :0.
If you use this format: -! 40:1 it would get it from display 1 instead,
or any display you specify as long as there is no space between -! 40
and the :[display-number].
-! 41 Bypass curl as a downloader option.
-! 42 Bypass fetch as a downloader option.
-! 43 Bypass wget as a downloader option.
-! 44 Bypass curl, fetch, and wget as a downloader options. Forces Perl if
HTTP::Tiny present.

Ik heb maar iets gedaan uit de regels van het forum , inxi -h , moest iets opleveren waardoor iemand zou begrijpen wat er mis was , ik vond het al knap van mezelf dat ik dat hier op de pagina heb weten te krijgen , maar ik weet mijn god niet wat ik er mee aan moet , wat het voorstelt , of iemand er iets mee kan , en al helemaal niet of ik er mee van mijn problemen af kom ?
Als ik systeem informatie probeer op te halen met , als hierboven beschreven , -S , zegt hij , command not found
Er moest inxi voor .
Host: antoon-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC Kernel: 4.15.0-43-generic x86_64
bits: 64
Desktop: Cinnamon 3.8.9 Distro: Linux Mint 19 Tara
De volgorde zal wel niet kloppen , maar ik weet niet hoe ik de tekst van volgorde kan veranderen , kan iemand me helpen ?
Koester het kind in jezelf , antoon .
Weer een latere poging
Als het goed is volgt er nu iets uit de logboeken
[pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
Uit het hoofdstukje , belangrijk , maar mij zegt het niets
antoon .

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