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Panel flaws.

Post by TL7 » Tue May 08, 2018 4:58 pm

I have found some flaws in the panel of MATE:

First of all, let me tell you, I am really proud, that I can put panels on top of each other on one screen side without any overlapping, but I have found a few flaws. Actually, XFCE does not have them, but maximized windows in Xfce go below the second panel, which is above the first (completely at screen bottom) panel.

But there are flaws in Mate:
- I can not easily select the order of which taskbars are placed on top of each other. Instead, I have to position them at any other screen side and then back to the bottom (preferred screen edge for panels) to move them down completely, which is a bit too bulky, but no problem, because one would just have to do that once, for configuring the preferences.
- An export option for the user interface, based on the Windows application “Fences”, just system-wide would be great. Cinnamon already allows exporting and importing individual settings.
- I am unable to remove any panel applets, and to access the applet options of the task list by right click, which just shows window options.
- If the taskbar is filled, and there is no unused space, I am unable to quick-access the panel preferences.

Is it possible, that I perceive something wrongly?

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Re: Panel flaws.

Post by sdibaja » Tue May 08, 2018 10:33 pm

TL7 wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 4:58 pm
I have found some flaws in the panel of MATE:

First of all, let me tell you, I am really proud, that I can put panels on top of each other on one screen side without any overlapping, but I have found a few flaws. Actually, XFCE does not have them, but maximized windows in Xfce go below the second panel, which is above the first (completely at screen bottom) panel.

But there are flaws in Mate:
1 - I can not easily select the order of which taskbars are placed on top of each other. Instead, I have to position them at any other screen side and then back to the bottom (preferred screen edge for panels) to move them down completely, which is a bit too bulky, but no problem, because one would just have to do that once, for configuring the preferences.
2 - An export option for the user interface, based on the Windows application “Fences”, just system-wide would be great. Cinnamon already allows exporting and importing individual settings.
3 - I am unable to remove any panel applets, and to access the applet options of the task list by right click, which just shows window options.
4 - If the taskbar is filled, and there is no unused space, I am unable to quick-access the panel preferences.

Is it possible, that I perceive something wrongly?
Welcome to the world of Mate.
these are Not really "flaws", I guess it is a matter of understanding ... but whatever.
1. the panels have many options. play with them. (I guess you already found that right click opens the properties) You can Probably have it your way.
2. I have no idea what you mean by "export"... please explain.
3. the applets/launchers are all locked by default. again, right click then uncheck "lock to panel" ... when unlocked they can be moved or removed. (they are all shortcuts, there will be no data lost)
4. yes, when panels are full something has to give... carefully poke around with your cursor, there definitely is a "sweet spot" that you can grab.

best of luck

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Re: Panel flaws.

Post by absque fenestris » Wed May 09, 2018 12:39 am

Hello sdibaja
I am a big friend of the MATE desktop and actually have no problems with it.
I notice - the mouse freaks out from time to time. This can happen while using an internet browser - or even if I want to make changes in the panel (new launcher, move something, start programs etc.).
I tried different mice - the best one, a wired USB mouse is broken because of cable breakage. Unfortunately.

In summary: All problems with the panel have to do with uncontrolled mouse jumps.
All these problems with MATE - with the same mouse - do not exist when I run a MATE desktop in one of the VirtualBoxes.
Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia (Mate) 32-bit - Acer D250 Netbook (Intel Atom N270, 2 GB RAM, 120 GB SSD)

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Re: Panel flaws.

Post by TL7 » Wed May 09, 2018 6:16 am

sdibaja wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 10:33 pm
TL7 wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 4:58 pm
I have found some flaws in the panel of MATE:

First of all, let me tell you, I am really proud, that I can put panels on top of each other on one screen side without any overlapping, but I have found a few flaws. Actually, XFCE does not have them, but maximized windows in Xfce go below the second panel, which is above the first (completely at screen bottom) panel.

But there are flaws in Mate:
1 - I can not easily select the order of which taskbars are placed on top of each other. Instead, I have to position them at any other screen side and then back to the bottom (preferred screen edge for panels) to move them down completely, which is a bit too bulky, but no problem, because one would just have to do that once, for configuring the preferences.
2 - An export option for the user interface, based on the Windows application “Fences”, just system-wide would be great. Cinnamon already allows exporting and importing individual settings.
3 - I am unable to remove any panel applets, and to access the applet options of the task list by right click, which just shows window options.
4 - If the taskbar is filled, and there is no unused space, I am unable to quick-access the panel preferences.

Is it possible, that I perceive something wrongly?
Welcome to the world of Mate.
these are Not really "flaws", I guess it is a matter of understanding ... but whatever.
1. the panels have many options. play with them. (I guess you already found that right click opens the properties) You can Probably have it your way.
2. I have no idea what you mean by "export"... please explain.
3. the applets/launchers are all locked by default. again, right click then uncheck "lock to panel" ... when unlocked they can be moved or removed. (they are all shortcuts, there will be no data lost)
4. yes, when panels are full something has to give... carefully poke around with your cursor, there definitely is a "sweet spot" that you can grab.

best of luck
Thank you for your warm welcome.

Export means Image
And about that sweet spot:
I suggest that clicking on any applet will show a submenu in the context menu for the panel, so that I can also access the panel settings when clicking on an applet on a panel, where a free “sweet spot” is inaccessible and bulky to find.

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Re: Panel flaws.

Post by sdibaja » Wed May 16, 2018 1:02 pm

TL7 wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 6:16 am
>snip<
And about that sweet spot:
I suggest that clicking on any applet will show a submenu in the context menu for the panel, so that I can also access the panel settings when clicking on an applet on a panel, where a free “sweet spot” is inaccessible and bulky to find.
I don't really see your point, but I am dense sometimes.
You should file a feature request with the Mate developers: https://github.com/mate-desktop
Much, but not all, of the newer features in Mate trickle down to Linux Mint Mate.

best of luck

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Re: Panel flaws.

Post by TL7 » Wed May 16, 2018 1:03 pm

sdibaja wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 1:02 pm
TL7 wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 6:16 am
>snip<
And about that sweet spot:

I suggest that clicking on any applet will show a submenu in the context menu for the panel, so that I can also access the panel settings when clicking on an applet on a panel, where a free “sweet spot” is inaccessible and bulky to find.
I don't really see your point, but I am dense sometimes.
You should file a feature request with the Mate developers: https://github.com/mate-desktop
Much, but not all, of the newer features in Mate trickle down to Linux Mint Mate.

best of luck
Thanks for your help.

I meant: Cinnamon allows exporting some settings to a jSON file.

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