Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

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Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by perdomot » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:56 pm

Been using the XFCE DE for the last couple of years and happy with it but I upgraded my PC hardware in 2018 and it can easily handle a beefier OS like Cinnamon now so I was wondering what advantages are to be gained by switching. I've noticed that XFCE has been at the 4.12 version for a long time while Cinnamon is sporting the newer 4.0 version and seems to be under more development. I'm curious what, if any, the benefits of a more modern DE like Cinnamon has over its older but still steady competitor. Thanks for any advice.

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by allstarrmultimedia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:45 pm

Hi. I just wanted to add my bit. When I first started looking at Linux, Mint had just released 17(.1). I wasn't sure about anything, but coming off of mainly using XP, with some Vista and 7, I read how Mint, using Cinnamon, was close to a Windows DE, and I feel that it's right. I'm now at 19, and am using the Cinnamon DE for it. Everything (imo) is easy to find, no matter if I'm going through the menu, or the folders. Downloading new files (package manager, or other), and the programs are in an area of the menu bar that makes sense.

I've tried a few distros (Zorin, various Ubuntus, TAILS, Librety Linux, etc), and a few different DEs (mainly Matte, but a few XFCE). For me, Cinnamon is the easiest to use, especially for casual computer users, who may be wanting to switch OS, especially with how intrusive Windows has started to become. For me, if the distro doesn't include a Cinnamon, I won't try it, simply because I don't have a lot of time to try every single Distro/DE, and if I want to experiment with an OS, I want to have an easy time in the DE. GNOME, in TAILS has functioned well, but I honestly don't spend a lot of time using it, although I do find it fairly straight forward...but maybe that's because with TAILS, the idea is to not have a lot of bloat, since you're running it off a USB (or like)...

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by trytip » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:17 pm

i use xfce in arch linux and i can tell you that it acts different than the xfce mint offers or i guess it comes from ubuntu. if mint's version of xfce ever catches up to the arch version many xfce users here will be annoyed. like with everything "modern" today it seems developers believe removing features and functions from a piece of software makes it edgy. the arch xfce desktop is now not handled as a folder any longer. meaning if you rightclick on the desktop in mint xfce you still have the option to open as root. in the updated version of xfce that is removed along with a lot of custom commands that are now deprecated on the desktop.

if one thing has taught me in using arch for the past 3 years is not to get comfortable with my current environment because those features that you enjoy which others may not will change at some point and cause you to look somewhere else or just give in to the whim of the developer and know that your desktop is not yours really but theirs.

the answer to your riddle Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it? = stick with what you love because tomorrow it may be gone.
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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by LuvNix » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:51 am

First things 1st. I only dorked with LM Cinnamon for a couple days. My 1st actual gnu/Linux install was LM10, thusly have a soft spot for LM and like this community. So occasionally will install Mint's stuff to play with for awhile and like the Mint community too. Thus pop up now and then here to dork around, with the general intent to try to be helpful or add junk I consider useful/cool.

Just saying only dorked with Cinnamon. Think it's a pretty and well polished desktop, some nice touches LM team included in it and isn't at all bad on system resources. ESP if you learn/apply appropriate gnu/Nix tweakage to it. Really not sure as to advantages/disadvantages per se comparing it vs Xfce4. Have used Xfce many times and yep happen to like it too. Though for me, prefer windows managers by far and away. Sorry not so much relevant eh.

In your case, a clear advantage of Xfce4 is you're familiar with it. You've apparently used it a long time and must like it or you wouldn't have done so ... right ? Xfce has been around forever, is well used and liked, thus plenty of documentation, themes etc so forth for it readily available. Is really good on system resources ( yep again, itself can be tweaked to run lighter/better as can the underlying operating system of course.)

Being gnu/Linux there really shouldn't be any over riding reason(s) a person can't have both. Not like they take up much in the way of disk space or as if that's in short supply anyway. At the moment, dorking with LM 19 (Mate), already played with Cinnamon and LMDE3 to some extent. So far haven't gotten that far and because I'm being lazy and sloppy, have actually messed up and went ahead and reinstalled Mate a couple times already. :(

Didn't make backups and/or wasn't worth the effort to try to fix some of the junk I'd done to the Mate install. Honestly though you can and SHOULD have a backup/restore plan in place or if your system is capable fire-up Virtualbox or a real hypervisor = KVM and set up some virtual machines of LM to play with. Then go ahead and start dorking with either A) Removing Cinnamon and installing/config'ing Xfce4 to be your desktop or B) Install both. Really shouldn't be a big deal. Either way with a proven backup/restore or in a VM, mess something up, it's a matter of a few mins to restore and be back in business.

Ahhhh the joys of tech, if only life were like gnu/Linux, you screw up horribly, hit one of the many undo or do over buttons and it never even happened. :D

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by perdomot » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:02 am

Thanks for all the feedback. I think my main concern is that I'm missing out on some newer tech by using XFCE. I was reading about how Cinnamon handles video so well compared to pass versions and I do like my rig to have high performance. I really like the way XFCE works especially the Mint version but I do wish we could get a 4.13 version of it soon.

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by trytip » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:15 am

i wanted xfce but needed the experience installing mint with cinnamon from live. but the first thing i did is install xfce on top of cinnamon. i spend most my time in xfce and logoff switch to cinnamon when i need to troubleshoot or test some things or just to see what's new.
cinnamon and xfce work pretty decent together, you can have both. there may be one or two instances of conflicts between startups or menu entries but nothing major, sometimes i spend weeks in xfce without even thinking of cinnamon and sometimes the other way around

if you decide to install cinnamon i have to say do a timeshift snapshot just in case.
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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by LuvNix » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:22 am

^ +1 EXACTLY, again it's tech and gnu/Linux, people often can have their cake and eat it too. If someone prepares, then yep ... again, unlike real life. You can learn from your mistakes without having to experience the pain, serious consequences and/or sometimes permanent damage that comes along with making mistakes in real life. Hmmmmm, mostly just posted to say your forum avatar is awesome Trytip. Whoaaaaaa ... :)

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by AZgl1500 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:31 am

I wanted fast and easy to use Desktop that included all of the features that I am accustomed from the Windows world....

e.g., IMO, Menu key + E should always open up the File Manager, and it does in Win and 18.3 Cinnamon

Likewise, most of the kybd shortcuts from Win are replicated in Cinnamon.
it just works without me having to fuss with it.
The file manager is agreeable to me, works a bit easier than WinExplorer does.

had to get used to GIMP, but now that I have, it is my editor of choice for images.

I have Xcfe and Mate installed on different hardware, and I just simply do NOT like them at all.
What I found myself doing with both of the DEs was trying add kybd shortcuts so it would act like Cinnamon....

WTH? why should I being doing that, I just scrapped trying to work with either one.
Both are too stripped to be useful to me.

For me, Cinnamon is the way to go..... I have lots of RAM, a 1.9 gHz CPU
it boots fast, and just simply works everyday, without crashing

I even wrote the Crontab job file so that Updates are done automatically.
I am happy, and not looking to change until forced to

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by carum carvi » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:41 am

Worth it? Without a doubt absolutely YES. Cinnamon is the most popular Linux OS and for a very good reason!
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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by trytip » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:02 am

LuvNix wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:22 am
^ +1 EXACTLY, again it's tech and gnu/Linux, people often can have their cake and eat it too. If someone prepares, then yep ... again, unlike real life. You can learn from your mistakes without having to experience the pain, serious consequences and/or sometimes permanent damage that comes along with making mistakes in real life. Hmmmmm, mostly just posted to say your forum avatar is awesome Trytip. Whoaaaaaa ... :)
to quote one of my mate's signatures in another forum:
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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by perdomot » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:41 am

Well, I've just made a backup with Clonezilla so I think I'll give Cinnamon a try but should I use the Ubuntu or the Debian version? Been playing around a little on Virtualbox and the Ubuntu version lets me add ppa to customize icons/themes and add software but the Debian is supposed to be rock solid. Which version are you folks using?

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by LuvNix » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:13 am

My Mind is like my internet browser, 19 tabs open, 6 are frozen and I've no idea where the music is coming from!
LMAO, also EPIC, am stealing, errrrr borrowing that and will likely attempt to figure out setting your avatar as my desktop background for awhile. But you know what they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. ;)

OT: Hmmmmm, just going to continue on with stick with what you're already used to and so buntu based Cinnamon. That's only 2 cents and not worth that. Either way hope and if you keep at it you will, find a setup you really enjoy Perdomot.

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by AZgl1500 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:42 am

perdomot wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:41 am
Well, I've just made a backup with Clonezilla so I think I'll give Cinnamon a try but should I use the Ubuntu or the Debian version? Been playing around a little on Virtualbox and the Ubuntu version lets me add ppa to customize icons/themes and add software but the Debian is supposed to be rock solid. Which version are you folks using?
I'm using the ISO 64bit from the Mint Repository.
it allows PPAs and FlatPaks for those special apps that you want.

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by Hoser Rob » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:54 am

Just dl the Cinnamon version live CD and burn it to a USB stick and then test, see for yourself if you like it. I don't really think anyone else can answer this question for you.

I don't personally think more modern DEs like Cinnamon really do anything more that's important to most users than ones like Xfce which look like something from the 90s, for a reason. But that shouldn't stop people from using Cinnamon etc. if they like the experience better. Cinnamon does have similar system reuirements to Win 8/10 and you really, really want a resonably powerful gpu with properly supported drivers. Cinnamon needs 3D hardware accelerated video just by itself.

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by perdomot » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:43 am

UPDATE:

Well, I installed Cinnamon and tried out my usual patterns and I have to say that I think XFCE is better IMO. The whole system seemed slower with things like the file manager taking noticeably longer, dragging windows to my 2nd monitor wasn't as smooth, and other small niggles that just made the experience not as fun. Gonna try Ubuntu Budgie tomorrow as that looks very good in Virtualbox and I want to try it out on hardware. I'm also curious about Mint Mate as I've used Ubuntu Mate and it was quite good although not as good as Mint from my experience.

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Re: Cinnamon over XFCE; Worth it?

Post by Hypersphere » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:46 pm

I much prefer Xfce over Cinnamon. The Mint implementation of Xfce is beautiful and functional right out of the box, and I can easily add the panel applets that I need. Cinnamon still has limited choices for panel applets that actually work properly.

Another thing I don't like about Cinnamon is the "My Computer" label in the left-hand pane of the default file manager, Nemo. I prefer Thunar's "File System".

IMO, the only thing that Cinnamon does better than Xfce is management of multiple monitors. With Cinnamon, you can choose which monitor on which to display desktop icons. With Xfce, the desktop icons always go to the far left-hand display, because it sees multiple displays as one giant screen. Nevertheless, on balance, I still choose Xfce as my default desktop.

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