smurphos wrote: ⤴Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:52 am
CommonJoe wrote: ⤴Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:14 pm
I think this is a big problem with Linux Mint and Cinnamon. I downloaded some of the more popular themes and none of the window borders work in Cinnamon. In fact, they don't even work in controls or desktop either.
Which themes? You need to bear in mind that a lot of the stuff on gnome-look is effectively un-maintained aka old junk.
Well, just about all of them. Keep in mind I'm looking to give a newbie a complete theme they can easily retrieve and just immediately enjoy and that doesn't look like Mint-X or Mint-Y.
I looked a couple of weeks ago and couldn't find any. Checking in again on Cinnamon Themes at
https://www.pling.com/s/Cinnamon/browse ... er/latest/, I glanced at the first 40. Yours are new and the
only ones that qualify. They are absolutely awesome, by the way: clear to read, great colors, and you can even tell which window has focus! (My only suggestions? You're missing the sticky icon and I'd like to see different, bigger icons in the window borders. With that said, I doubt many people use the sticky icon and not everyone wants the larger icons. Your themes really were what I was looking for.)
The rest are (at best) a good looking desktop theme only or (at worst) completely unusable because of bad colors or missing icons (even though some of them had options for desktops, window borders and controls). Besides you, the only exception was CBlack by Cloweling. Although it left me personally underwhelmed, it's a good looking, clean, unified theme that I think others can enjoy. It seemed to work on my first glance.
For a newbie trying Linux Mint (where themes are but a small part of the overwhelming experience of trying to learn an operating system), trying to scroll through 10 at time where the pictures don't always leave a good impression as to what can be done in the "theme", it's just a nightmare. I had to download each theme to see what it could really do.
smurphos wrote: ⤴Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:52 am
Cinnamon version 3.8 and later requires Window borders to be metacity-theme-3.xml - it doesn't support the older metacity-theme-2.xml or metacity-theme-1.xml formats. This was a deliberate choice by the devs to unbloat the Window Manager and improve performance. Long term the intention is to drop support for separate window borders themes entirely and have the borders drawn by the GTK theme. Older Cinnamon versions supported all three formats.
For a newbie (my target audience for my notes and the target audience of Linux Mint), that's not a good thing. The goal of my notes is to cut through the clutter and give them something to work with. I'll be linking to your work at Pling.com.
smurphos wrote: ⤴Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:52 am
And of course for a full Cinnamon experience the theme needs to ship a Cinnamon Desktop theme. Not all theme developers will choose to support Cinnamon. And again in an ideal world the theme developers should be updating their Themes to properly support new features in each Cinnamon version. There were major changes between Cinnamon 3.0 and 3.2 and again significant changes between 3.8 and 4.0.
Yeah, that's a toughie. Even I don't know if I'm Cinnamon 3.0 compliant! (Although what I wrote is so simple, I hope it is.) I saw what you did with the Cinnamox program. I haven't tried the Cinnamox program (and probably won't as UI design is not my forte), but I'm glad it exists. It's definitely needed.
When I find a few minutes, I'll make a minor update to my theme and release to Pling (as suggested).
You're both in the Linux Mint forums and in Pling.com. What's your opinion on how Linux Mint should move forward with this problem? What about including your stuff in the next release of Linux Mint for additional themes? Would you be game for that and who would we contact for that?
Thanks for all your work on the themes. They really are fantastic.
-- Common Joe