kisak-mesa ppa breaks Steam (and vica versa)

[kodos]

I upgraded from 19.3 to 21.1 2 days ago (I always keep the distros till end of live) and run into the problem with mesa and Steam with 32bit libraries

after installation, installing kisak ppa works but won't allow to install Steam (cannot install the requested libraries and if you do it manually the system breaks)
after installation, installing Steam works but won't allow to install the ppa (it is there but not used, forcing it breaks the system)

tried for 2 days now and searched for other were the only result found were similar issues but no real solution (like not using the ppa after a fresh install or using Fedora instead of Mint)

problem for me is, I have a game that only works with wine-staging 6.3, and that wine version crashes if I use default driver (don't know why, I cannot even install something using it, it worked with 19.3 and kisak ppa, worked with 21.1 and kisak ppa), while other games need Steam.

what I haven't done yet was purge the default mesa driver before adding the ppa (because there wasn't time for this yet and it)
any other ideas or solutions what could be done?

[MiZoG]

Hey, kodos!
We lack important info.
First, post your system specs inxi -Fxxxrz
Then, tell us how did you upgrade your system? Have you kept old files, your home partition or did you opt for a fresh-install?
Why not reveal the game that needs an older wine version but a newer mesa stack
How did you install steam and why are 32libs not working with it? (Fresh install of 21.1 in my case, I downloaded the .deb installer from steam and all golden though I'm on nvidia)
Installing kisak ppa could be justified when you need that bleeding-edge driver to run the latest AAA games not playable with default mesa...
Otherwise it is not advisable. It's not always the case but you can get newer versions of mesa by installing more recent kernels.
Many problems intertwined. You should approach em one by one.

[kodos]

inxi -Fxxxrz:

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System:
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[kodos]

coming from 19.3 with kisak-mesa ppa
what I have done:

version a) fresh install from live USB (kept home, but on a different drive)
update system, add 32 bit architecture, restart, add kisak-mesa ppa, update&upgrade, restart (everything working so far)
install steam from latest .deb, on startup get the message that 32 bit libraries are missing, follow the steps in terminal, error that those cannot be added
apt upgrade shows those libraries being hold back, installing them one by one breaks the system (black screen on startup)

version b) again a fresh install from live USB
update system, add 32 bit architecture, restart, install steam from .deb (everything working so far)
add kisak-mesa ppa, update&upgrade, restart, but it is not applied (driver is still mesa 22.2.5), install it via terminal, steam does not work any more (error with 32 bit libraries in startup)

this is one part of the problem, found also similar issues here and on reddit were the solution was either to make a fresh install without the kisak ppa or use a different distro

the other problem is Path of Exile
with 19.3 played with wine-staging 6.3 is all other version have CPU lag spikes related to (older) Intel CPU going on idle during low use (solution on windows is either changing bios to prevent the core from going idle or adding a custom power plan for the specific games that disables idle during gameplay)
I don't why 6.3 staging worked around this and I guess it was not intentional and I haven't bothered (and I don't really want to) changing bios nor found a way to apply a custom power plan while running a wine game like people suggest on windows (and because it worked with that wine version I did not needed until now)

on version a), after adding kisak ppa, Path of Exile runs with wine-staging 6.3
on version b) wine crashes on start with the error:
0054:err:ntoskrnl:ZwLoadDriver failed to create driver L"\\Registry\\Machine\\System\\CurrentControlSet\\Services\\nsiproxy": c0000135
003c:fixme:service:scmdatabase_autostart_services Auto-start service L"nsiproxy" failed to start: 126 (google that error usually results in using a different version of wine)
tried a fresh install from a clean system, wine crashes with the same error
I can install the game with other wine version, and also run them but cannot play because of the mentioned lag spikes (it is the only non-native game I play at the moment and the only one with problems on the fresh install so far)

so by now I am looking for a solution to the cpu lag problem (as I need to solve it sooner or later anyway) and in addition what causes the problems with steam kisak (I guess there is one library in a different version in 64 and 32 bit and this causes the dependencies to fail)

[MiZoG]

Hmm... radeon rx5600/5700 and LM19.x. all that time?

According to ProtonDB reports, linux users have a decent rate of success with Path of Exile on Steam.
No idea about how easy it is to transfer your account to steam. I bet you don't have the game in your steam library.

...cpu lag problem...

There is Feral's gamemode for that. It adjusts cpu state on the fly for gaming. You stop playing, cpu returns to normal. It seems exactly what you're looking for and it is installed by default on latest Ubuntu/Mint. You preload it in the command line gamemoderun nameofyourgame, you can add it as a launch-argument on steam gamemoderun %command%, edit the game menu entry and so on. Game managers like Lutris use it by default these days <-- Have you tried the Lutris installer script(s) btw?

Alternative to gamemode is low-latency kernels like Liquorix, xanmod etc. Too radical a solution...

MMOs receive a lot of updates so Path of Exile might be prone to frequent breaking of compatibility with wine/proton but I would start with a clean stable system = default mesa drivers and work on a solution.

(And try broader linux gamers' scene: gamingonlinux, lutris, HeroicGames Launcher's discord channels. You'll have more chances to get expert help over there)

[kodos]

17.x and 19.x with an RX570 and RX5700
Playing PoE since Beta (2013) and there were different kind of problems over time (though since ~4 years it works very well) and I never change a running system (keep wine versions and workarounds unless things are broken)

Hence for MMOs I found Lutris scripts to be problematic as the game changes faster than the scripts are updated (and in the past Lutris had no real advantage if you did not use the scripts but needed patched wine versions not in Lutris or other workarounds, at least for me)

Thought after searching yesterday there seems to be a general problem with Ubuntu 22.04 and older wine versions and it is just my rare case that changing to a newer wine version breaks the game

The typical Linux gaming sites recommend changing the distro or use bleeding edge

Did not know that gamemode is now there by default, will try this one first and next is moving to Steam (thought it would not solve the original problem why Steam and kisak or why wine6.3 does not work at all)

[kodos]

for the record,
gamemode helps but CPU lag is still there in big enough to make it unplayable (decreased spikes from 3 sec to 1 sec) but PoE works well with Steam (i get the same performance in Steam is I had before with 6.3 staging)

[bbbrox]

I think I ran into the same problem with kisak PPA/Steam conflict while trying to get my 7900 XT working, but finally came up with a solution. Starting with a freshly (re)installed Mint 21.1, Mint updates applied, linux-oem-22.04c installed:

1. Add apt repo as per the kisak PPA instructions.

2. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kisak-kisak-mesa-jammy.list: change "deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=..." to "deb [arch=amd64,i386 signed-by=..."

3. Then apt update, apt upgrade

4. Now that apt has a source for compatible i386 mesa files to go with the upgraded amd64 mesa files, Steam installs without a problem.

[Donzi]

I think I ran into the same problem with kisak PPA/Steam conflict while trying to get my 7900 XT working, but finally came up with a solution.
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4. Now that apt has a source for compatible i386 mesa files to go with the upgraded amd64 mesa files, Steam installs without a problem.

YES! Thats it!

Im fresh in Linux-Desktop (Server since 2005), have a machine with a 6700xt as a "steambox" and there is mesa 23 installed.
Its my testsystem only steam installed and it worked, but i cant recognized, what i have done... got notes, but mmmhh

Now, i want install on my default machine the same, but each time mesa and steam breaks up. 2 Weeks of '&%$§, add i386 libs, 32 architecture, ppa from kisak, ernstp or oibaf
And now, YES, the Sources-List switch did it!!

- add i386 to the list