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graphics card for Linux, Nvidia or AMD?

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I'm currently running Windows 7, and have been experimenting with Linux Mint in Virtualbox a couple of years.

Since the support for Windows7 is ending in January 2020, I'm thinking about migrating to Linux Mint for real sometime around Q1 2020 when I'll buy a new computer, everything included.

I'd like to be able to play games on Linux in Steam(with Proton/steamplay), and as I've understood it, it's important that the graphicscard supports the Vulkan API (and DirectX as well).

The plan is to install Linux Mint on a seperate SSD, and have Windows on it's own SSD, so I still have to option to dualboot if necessary.

But what kind of Graphic-professor would you recommend between Nvidia and AMD, and why?

I'm currently thinking about these cards:

Nvidia: ZOTAC GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER AMP: PCI-Express 3.0, 8GB GDDR6
AMD: ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT TUF 3: PCI-Express 4.0, 8GB GDDR6, Navi

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Re: graphics card for Linux, Nvidia or AMD?

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Lexdale wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:05 am
But what kind of Graphic-professor would you recommend between Nvidia and AMD, and why?
I reccomnmend nVidia. The linux driver is very mature, and that's why I prefer them.
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does everyone agree on that?
would appreciate some more input on this :)

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If you have ever followed the LM forums at all over your last 4 yrs being a member, then you would have known that catweazel is probably one of "THE" foremost experts here and he does not give his advice frivolously nor lightly...I would agree with him...AMD is not as well supported as nVidea or Intel drivers...DAMIEN
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Since the support for Windows7 is ending in January 2020
i don't get it, i stopped updates for windows 7 after i installed it, downloaded updates once to get service packs updated then completely disabled windows7 updates and ran the OS for quite a few years without support. so why all the sudden is the sky on fire? why can't you keep windows7?
yes the nvidia selection is your best bet, i can't even make sense of the AMD version numbering system much less the drivers needed.
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trytip wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:55 pm
Since the support for Windows7 is ending in January 2020
i don't get it, i stopped updates for windows 7 after i installed it, downloaded updates once to get service packs updated then completely disabled windows7 updates and ran the OS for quite a few years without support. so why all the sudden is the sky on fire? why can't you keep windows7?
yes the nvidia selection is your best bet, i can't even make sense of the AMD version numbering system much less the drivers needed.
I was planning to change to Linux Mint a couple years ago but postponed it. The sky isn't on fire at all and the windows 7 update ain't the main reason that I want to change OS.

The main reason is that I'm buying a new computer rig, everything included, and that I would feel more secure if running Linux + I don't have to worry about viruses, trojans etc. Also I'm getting tired of have to rely on cracked programs like Malware bytes and Antivirus-program, Firewall and a bunch of other things that are consuming system resources. I hate Microsoft's secret telemetry/spyware also. Basically I don't feel secure on Windows. Windows 7 is a damn old system, and I'm not so keen to update to Windows 10 either.

I must admit that I will miss Photoshop though

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DAMIEN1307 wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:08 pm
If you have ever followed the LM forums at all over your last 4 yrs being a member, then you would have known that catweazel is probably one of "THE" foremost experts here and he does not give his advice frivolously nor lightly...I would agree with him...AMD is not as well supported as nVidea or Intel drivers...DAMIEN
I'm sorry to say that I haven't even visited this forum for some years, until now.

But I've decided to go with Nvidia when I buy the computer rig.
Thank you for your help guys :)

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AMD or NVIDIA as your mileage may very I can tell you that I started my Linux journey with an Nvidia 680 and ended up on a AMD Vega 64 and have zero regrets. The main issue I had with Nvidia was screen tearing and speed. On windows 7 that card was 100% fine but not for Linux. On Linux AMD has the drivers backed into the kernal and support just keeps getting better and better alto you will want the 5.3 or latest kernel. I recommend that anyone on Linux go with AMD and FreeSync if you can afford it. Does AMD have a tear free experience... No. I had and still see plenty of tearing on windows at work and before I switched from windows 7.

The best gaming experience I have had on Linux was Manjaro KDE however I don't recommend arch for boxes that are not only used for gaming. On arch, at times you may want to try a new program for something, but you need to do a full update before you can install it. So you do a full update, after a download (not a small one at that) you find out that a few programs that were installed form git also have updates and need to be recompiled. A few hours later you can now try that new program. On mint a full update is not forced, I have no idea why arch is so popular but it can be better for gaming but not in all cases.

if you are having a hard time deciding I would simply get a cheap AMD card and give it a try that's what I did at first and noticed the difference right away however that was about a year ago now and Linux is changing and improving at a fast pace so Nvidia may be a lot better now.

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Sorry to thread crash (this seems to be my catchphrase), but I had a problem with tearing. I use a low-power laptop (dual core 1.6ghz) with intergrated intel graphics.
Anyway, I was looking to see if there was a solution, as the tearing was a bit annoying when watching films and playing games that scrolled. I found a reddit post that said to change the 'window manager' under 'desktop settings' from (what was my default) 'macro' to 'macro+crompton', which I tried and it seems to have worked; no tearing when playing films with media player, youtube's ok within vivaldi and the emulated systems I've tested with retropie (and hatari) are also now tear free. It's worth noting tearing was still apparent when I tried the metacity and compiz combinations (although the tearing was at different points on the display)
My knowledge of linux is scant to say the least, but I thought I'd share what I found.

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I can help you with the screen tearing with your intel atom 1.66 but not here...do not hijack this thread for something other than whats going on here...please open new thread and i will post instructions for you as how to resolve your situation...DAMIEN
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Hi, dropped in to add some words for you.

Since my first PC i have got my self and Nvidia GPU, never used AMD so i could not say that they are better or worst. For my gaming on linux my Nvidia GPU is doing is job as i should, using the latest drivers available (as any user should).

I see you mentioned migrating, i say wait a second, try living in a dual boot mode for a while, get the hang of using linux, understand differences between windows and linux (there are plenty) and then you can jump in to the linux boat.

There are plenty linux games that can offer a nice gameplay but if you favor the ones from Steam again you will see that not all of the are available for linux in general. There is a trend in making linux versions of the games (Valve does it for e.g. ), but that takes time and more developers to work :)

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I have a laptop with Nvidia and regret it more often I can think.

Nvidia is completely closed source, open source drivers are complete reverse engineered without any support from Nvidia.
The closed drivers are always late in good support of newest hardware, and miss many features completely. There are no signs this will become better, nvidia - since years now - does not really like to support linux. Even Apple dropped their corporation with them - and when Apple does a step like this, it's sign in most cases.

I think, Nvidia on Linux has no future

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I didn't even think this was a debate anymore. The last I heard, AMD stopped offering proprietary drivers for Linux and that was the end as far as AMD and Linux gaming were concerned.

I spent a lot of time configuring old PC games to work on Mint 17.2 through Wine and, for the most part, I was successful and most of the games that didn't run posed the same problems on Windows anyway. I used an Radeon HD5450 graphics card with an open source driver. It also did the rounds for most of the indie games on Steam and ran a mean Super Tux Kart.

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English Invader wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:56 am
I didn't even think this was a debate anymore. The last I heard, AMD stopped offering proprietary drivers for Linux and that was the end as far as AMD and Linux gaming were concerned.
That seems to be a misunderstanding on your part.

AMD's driver is part of the kernel. So an AMD video card is plug and play. New video cards will automatically use the amdgpu driver, which is the recommended driver for gaming. You don't need a proprietary driver, which is why many Linux users prefer AMD video cards.

I think your misunderstanding comes from when AMD stopped offering the old fgrlx proprietary driver. But modern video cards worked well on the open source drivers (some older cards could use the radeon driver and newer video cards used the amdgpu driver), so the loss of the proprietary driver didn't make much of a difference.

If I remember correctly, that left users of some older video cards that weren't capable of using the open source drivers without a good option. But those were video cards that were already deprecated (video cards that no longer were receiving updated drivers on Windows either).

If you're buying a new video card, the easier option is probably AMD. But that doesn't necessarily mean that performance is better with AMD. Although, I think only AMD (and Intel, but you don't really game much on an integrated Intel chip) can use the new ACO back-end, which provides better performance in Proton/Wine games.

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English Invader wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:56 am
I didn't even think this was a debate anymore. The last I heard, AMD stopped offering proprietary drivers for Linux and that was the end as far as AMD and Linux gaming were concerned.

I spent a lot of time configuring old PC games to work on Mint 17.2 through Wine and, for the most part, I was successful and most of the games that didn't run posed the same problems on Windows anyway. I used an Radeon HD5450 graphics card with an open source driver. It also did the rounds for most of the indie games on Steam and ran a mean Super Tux Kart.
AMD is still offering both open source and proprietary drivers for Linux. Due to AMD releasing the source code to their drivers, the performance has increased dramatically to the point where there is no reason to use the proprietary drivers except for a few use cases. There is a rumour that they would be improving the drivers (open source) for future releases but none involving them to stop offering the proprietary drivers, which again is not needed.
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Jared+ wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 11:05 pm
English Invader wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:56 am
I didn't even think this was a debate anymore. The last I heard, AMD stopped offering proprietary drivers for Linux and that was the end as far as AMD and Linux gaming were concerned.

I spent a lot of time configuring old PC games to work on Mint 17.2 through Wine and, for the most part, I was successful and most of the games that didn't run posed the same problems on Windows anyway. I used an Radeon HD5450 graphics card with an open source driver. It also did the rounds for most of the indie games on Steam and ran a mean Super Tux Kart.
AMD is still oferring both open source and proprietary drivers for Linux. Due to AMD releasing the source code to their drivers, the performance has increased dramatically to the point where there is no reason to use the proprietary drivers except for a few use cases. There is a rumour that they would be improving the drivers (open source) for future releases but none involving them to stop offering the proprietary drivers, which again is not needed.
I've had good success as of late with rx 5700 and AMDs open source driver. It did require some tweaking (kernel 5.3, newer Mesa, etc..) but it works very well. And I'm coming from a gtx 1070. I will however say that nvidia is more user friendly, especially if you stick with an LTS distro like Mint. Install the driver, and don't touch your kernel for 2 years and you are fine.
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mr_raider wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 1:38 pm

...... snip..... AMD is still offering both open source and proprietary drivers for Linux. Due to AMD releasing the source code to their drivers, the performance has increased dramatically to the point where there is no reason to use the proprietary drivers except for a few use cases. There is a rumour that they would be improving the drivers (open source) for future releases but none involving them to stop offering the proprietary drivers, which again is not needed.
end snip....

I've had good success as of late with rx 5700 and AMDs open source driver. It did require some tweaking (kernel 5.3, newer Mesa, etc..) but it works very well. And I'm coming from a gtx 1070. I will however say that nvidia is more user friendly, especially if you stick with an LTS distro like Mint. Install the driver, and don't touch your kernel for 2 years and you are fine.
I am using an ASUS laptop ( new 12/2019 ) with the Nvidia video driver hardware.
So far, with 19.3 Cinnamon installed on it, I had not even thought to be worried about the Video driver with the new Kernels when they were offered. I just simply installed them, realizing that using Timeshift before each major Update, I have the option to revert to the prior point in Time, or to simply revert back to the prior Kernel at boot up time in Grub... if there should be a problem.

So, I am asking, is Nvidia subject to being broken with the new Kernels?

This caused me to wonder which Kernel I am using, even though I have let the new ones install.
I just noted, that the x.40 kernel is Active now, and I vaguely remember an issue with X.42 and had to backup.

wondering if that issue has been resolved with the newer kernels, don't even remember what that issue was?

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AZgl1500 wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:08 pm
mr_raider wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 1:38 pm

...... snip..... AMD is still offering both open source and proprietary drivers for Linux. Due to AMD releasing the source code to their drivers, the performance has increased dramatically to the point where there is no reason to use the proprietary drivers except for a few use cases. There is a rumour that they would be improving the drivers (open source) for future releases but none involving them to stop offering the proprietary drivers, which again is not needed.
end snip....

I've had good success as of late with rx 5700 and AMDs open source driver. It did require some tweaking (kernel 5.3, newer Mesa, etc..) but it works very well. And I'm coming from a gtx 1070. I will however say that nvidia is more user friendly, especially if you stick with an LTS distro like Mint. Install the driver, and don't touch your kernel for 2 years and you are fine.
I am using an ASUS laptop ( new 12/2019 ) with the Nvidia video driver hardware.
So far, with 19.3 Cinnamon installed on it, I had not even thought to be worried about the Video driver with the new Kernels when they were offered. I just simply installed them, realizing that using Timeshift before each major Update, I have the option to revert to the prior point in Time, or to simply revert back to the prior Kernel at boot up time in Grub... if there should be a problem.

So, I am asking, is Nvidia subject to being broken with the new Kernels?

This caused me to wonder which Kernel I am using, even though I have let the new ones install.
I just noted, that the x.40 kernel is Active now, and I vaguely remember an issue with X.42 and had to backup.

wondering if that issue has been resolved with the newer kernels, don't even remember what that issue was?


Kernels.png
Mint is a little bit behind ubuntu in it's upgrade cycles. So chances are by the time a new kernel is available, the nvidia driver works. But in the past I have broken the nvidia driver by trying to use one of the non LTS kernels. The way arround it is to use the nvidia drivers ppa.
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