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[SOLVED] Confused and frustrated with Linux mint & wine & doom

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:56 am
by Ktap84
So I got a desk top PC for free that has linux mint on it. Everytime in the past I've gotten a PC with linux I get so frustrated with it and end up just end up changing my os back to usually windows 7 (I absolutely hate 10) just cause its more user friendly for the stuff I want to do. (Music ie recording etc, movies and My very long obsession with playing doom. I've had the doom collectors edition ( ultimate, doom 2 and final doom)for a while and I wanted to see if I could run it.
I managed to figure out how to get it installed via wine but when i go to run the game it pops up and I get a small distorted section of the game window. I can play it and it works. I do remember having an issue before where I had to replace a dlplay file and it worked great on Windows 7. How ever I have no clue with wine or linux how to even really get into the main files to find where to put that file or if it would work. Or is it that directx doesn't work in wine? Cuz it wont let me run the setup exe. ( why is it so hard to find the program files? )

Forgive me if this is too much. Forgive me if I'm also stubborn. I refuse to use steam. I'm skeptic about chocolate or vanilla doom or what ever other engine just cuz I don't want a demo. I want everything just the way it was , music levels everything. I don't care for modding either well not not quite yet. I just wanna get in and rip and roar on in my opinion is one of the greatest games ever made. I was fascinated with it at 10 when it came out and to this day I still am. Even got the 2 main cheats tattooed on me. Any insight on this ?

I'm really serious about learning how to use linux tbh but its so foreign. I like a challenge and to keep it real I'm in recovery and challenging my stubbornness and forcing myself out of my comfort zone. So if someone could have the patience to break it down in way that understandable for me that'd be awesome. (Ive been googling like crazy and finding half solutions or command prompt stuff that gets abit confusing) Thank you in advance.

Re: Confused and frustrated with Linux mint & wine & doom

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:02 am
by xenopeek
Those are DOS games, right? Why are you trying to run them through Wine, a Windows compatibility layer? That looks the long way round.

I've played them on Linux long time ago and just used DOSBox. That's a DOS emulator which even on my old PC ran these games fast enough.

DOSBox may not be the most user friendly thing out there but neither is Wine but it's a lot simpler. It basically runs from a configuration file where you configure screen and sound and such and where you game is. There may be a useful front-end for it but on https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/DOSBoxFrontends I ran into some dead links and very old programs. Don't know which is a current good one but maybe worth another look.

Personally I just open a terminal in the directory where I have a game, run ln -s $(which dosbox) dosbox to create a link to the dosbox executable then double-click that dosbox file in the file manager to start DOSBox and in DOSBox run command config -writeconf dosbox.conf to create a dosbox.conf file in the same directory. Then exit DOSBox, edit the dosbox.conf file in this directory as needed and the double-click the dosbox file again and it will start DOSBox with the dosbox.conf file from this directory. The dosbox.conf file includes comments that explain many of the options but otherwise dosbox.com has further information.

Seeing as how the game engine for the old Doom games has been open sourced I think it also worth a try with one of the modern Doom engines that run natively on Linux. You can use the game (WAD) files of the Doom games you own with them. chocolate-doom is in the repository so can easily be installed and is the one that strives to be as close as possible in gameplay to the DOS original. (See https://www.chocolate-doom.org/) GZDoom also strives to be close to the original gameplay but is updated to make use of larger screen resolutions we have these days and more. It should play smoothest (highest framerate) as it use hardware acceleration of your graphics card. (see https://www.zdoom.org/ and download the Ubuntu .deb file for your architecture, probably the 64-bit one.)

Re:solved: Confused and frustrated with Linux mint & wine & doom

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:20 pm
by Ktap84
i was using wine because its a windows program disc. It says on the back of the case its runs with windows 95/98/me/2000- comparable computer system (32 bit drivers for CD rom)
Also it has directx 8.0 on the disc

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Collector%27s_Edition

This version doesnt run on dos. But I had issues with runnong on windows 7. I remember having issues a dlplay file. Not sure if its the same thing with wine. I'm using wine to basically learn because I have other old pc games ive managed to find from the dollar store that Ive used on an older I pc desktop that I got stolen.

Re: Confused and frustrated with Linux mint & wine & doom

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:00 pm
by ugly
With WINE, you can't really be certain how things will work. And it's hard to test for someone who doesn't have the game.

One place you can try to search is: https://www.winehq.org. There are often other uses who report issues with particular programs.


For a few options you probably don't want to hear:
1 - if your version of the game provides the .WAD files for the games, then you can use the ZDOOM engine to play. I recently played by installing the DOSBOX version of DOOM as it was originally, and then tried the ZDOOM engine. And it's way better in ZDOOM. It doesn't really alter the game. It's not a demo. It uses the original game data, so you get the full game as it was. It just offers some quality of life improvements.

2 - Buy the games again. It sucks paying again for something you already have. They regularly go on sale on GOG. But you'll be able to run it anyway you like. And if you want the original experience, then the way to do that is through DOSBOX. There are installers available using Lutris to take care of playing any version of the game you like.

Re: Confused and frustrated with Linux mint & wine & doom

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:19 pm
by Ktap84
Well then. Forgive me I was tired asf last night. Figured it out over coffee. I just had to change the screen resolution in the game settings. I was going to delete this but I'm gonna leave it up for others who mite run into the same issue.
If you have the ultimate doom collectors disc
You dont need anything extra or fancy. People mite tell you to download all sorts of extra stuff. Don't get suckered in. Esp If your plug and play like me. Also thrift stores have some cool old pc games for a couple bucks a pop. Which is the route I go.

Next up stars wars knights of the old Republic

Re: Confused and frustrated with Linux mint & wine & doom

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:20 pm
by Moem
Ktap84 wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:19 pm
I was going to delete this but I'm gonna leave it up for others who mite run into the same issue.
That is great... after all that's the point of this forum: to be a source of information, not just for the asker, but for everyone. Thanks for posting your solution!