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This is what I reinstalled: cups, cups-client, cups-common, cups-filter, cups-ppdc, ghostscript-cups, libcups2, libcupscgi1, libcupsfilters1, libcupsimage2, libcupsmime1, libcupsppdc1, python-cups, python-cups-helpers. However reinstalling might not even be necessary. Maybe removing and adding the printer just works on it's own.
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I too have run into the pango/plymouth issue mentioned by @rcrath in http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=730550#p730550.

However I am only tracking testing, no sid sources at all. The system boots but only without a desktop. The kernel update errors posted by @rcrath above are also what I got when I updated. I had only recently deleted the one clonezilla backup I had of my last previous updated system. What solutions I have to get my desktop back if I do not track sid/experimental.

Thank as always for any and all help.

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you can grab the newest plymouth here http://packages.debian.org/experimental/amd64/plymouth/download you can download and install it manually.

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Thank you for responding.

I think i need to use "apt-get install -f plymouth_0.8.8-10_amd64.deb" to install. Am I right here?
Also will it install if I do NOT have any SID/Experimental repos in my sources?

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the deb file will be installed just like any other package. you don't have to worry about it. I usually run 'dpkg -i /path/to/deb/file' but I assume using apt-get will do same thing.

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narendra.d
i think that the best procedure is
1- add to your sources.list

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deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main
2- update but don't dist-upgrage
3- install plymouth from experimental with

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sudo apt-get install -t experimental plymouth 
4- remove the experimental line from the sources.list
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Thank you @zerozero and also @rcrath. Will do that. That seems the right way to do it.

Thanks again.

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Ok, this has turned out to be more complicated than I thought and I am unable to find options that work.

After the trouble caused by Pango/Plymouth as described above, I was thinking that upgrading Plymouth to the Experimental version (as suggested by @zerozero and @rcrath above) would solve all problems. However it looks quite complicated in the situation that I am in.
After the debacle, I am stuck without a desktop and can only boot into the Recovery mode with no GUI desktop. I am getting a non responsive screen with a non blinking cursor on top. No Mouse or keyboard feedback. My desktop on which LMDE sits is connected to the internet by a USB Dongle and currently I can't access the GUI and do not know if and how I can connect through the Dongle using the command line. I use a Huawei E3131B. I was thinking that connecting to a ethernet port on eth0 (at a friends place) would be automatic and tried that but it wasn't probably because eth0 was never configured. And again I do not how I can configure eth0 using command line. The Crunchbang that I have on the same system does have eth0 auto configured.

I have been using LMDE tracking testing since a short while after it was first released and have never felt so bad and helpless. I have even contemplated reinstalling LMDE, but won't till I have exhausted all options.

So, the help that I need with now is how to connect to the internet using command line either through the USB Dongle or configure eth0.

Thank you all in advance. You guys are really heroes.

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OK, configuring the network from the command line is mostly done through the /etc/network/interfaces file. We should see what the contents are currently first:

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cat /etc/network/interfaces
You should even be able to connect to your network using something like this (without further info this is hard; this is assuming you have a WPA/WPA2 network and wlan0 is your correct interface):

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# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
	wpa-ssid <network ssid>
	wpa-psk  <network password>
Then you would run:

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sudo ifup wlan0
For more info look here:
[url]http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line[/url]
Or here for setting up an ethernet device:
[url]http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Setting_up_an_Ethernet_Interface[/url]
You could also look here:

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man interfaces
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Post by narendra.d »

Hi
Thanks for responding.

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cat /etc/network/interfaces
Gives (with nothing plugged into the ethernet port)

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#loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

#primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
#NetworkManager# iface eth0 inet dhcp 
Does the above mean that eth0 is not auto enabled ?
Will plug in the ethernet at a friends place tomorrow and see if the advice and instruction work.

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Ok, I think it should look something like this:

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#loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

#primary network interface
auto eth0
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp 
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Thank You for responding.

I checked my settings again and finally was able to zero in on the trouble - /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules was having an entry for eth0 with an invalid MAC id and eth1 with the correct MAC id. So corrected the entries and ethernet worked. Updated Plymouth and got my desktop back.

Now I find an update for Linux kernel again (3.2...49 available while 3.2....46 installed). Is it safe to do a dist-upgrade?
Lesson learnt though. I have my clonezilla backup already done, that was the forst order of business after it got fixed.

Thank you all for the help. You guys Rock.

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zz, my source list is:

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# deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import backport 
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free 
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free 
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free 
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates non-free contrib main 
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ testing main non-free 
# deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main contrib non-free 
# deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main contrib non-free
The 3.9 (3.9.6-1) kernel has finally come into testing. My install is a Schoelje XFCE.

The new kernel shows up in Synaptic, but Synaptic is not showing it as an auto upgrade. I'd have to manually install it. And a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade does not get it done, either.

Is there a modification in one of the Preferences files that needs to be done? I remember having this issue a while back. I've been running this sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade since installing the Schoelje XFCE. A bit worried about major breakages right now.

linux-headers-amd64 is not installed. Perhaps I'm missing that one?

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narendra.d
it's strange that you had such problems with plymouth upgrade from experimental; several of us (not only here) did it and went smooth; of course that messing with experimental is always risky;

now that you backed-up the system (and before upgrade) is time to check a couple things:
please give us the output of

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inxi -r
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cat /etc/apt/preferences
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Chris
i moved your post here :)
zerozero wrote:linux-headers-amd64 is not installed. Perhaps I'm missing that one?
yes, i believe that this is the problem: you need linux-headers-<your-arch> and linux-image-<your-arch> to keep getting the latest headers and image
today's DU
The following NEW packages will be installed:
iproute2 libatm1 linux-headers-3.9-1-amd64 linux-headers-3.9-1-common
linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.9

The following packages will be upgraded:
ca-certificates foomatic-db-compressed-ppds geoip-database
gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 gstreamer0.10-nice inxi iproute
iso-codes libgcrypt11 libgcrypt11:i386 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:i386 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgegl-0.2-0
libgnome-menu-3-0 libmetacity-private0a libncurses5 libncursesw5 libnice10
libssh2-1 libtinfo5 libxvmc1 linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64
linux-libc-dev metacity metacity-common ncurses-base ncurses-bin
ncurses-term openprinting-ppds python-wicd solydx-artwork usbutils wicd
wicd-daemon wicd-gtk x11proto-core-dev x11proto-input-dev
xfce4-indicator-plugin xfce4-mailwatch-plugin
42 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 48.1 MB of archives.
After this operation, 129 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
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Thank You @zerozero.
The Sources are as per the ones in your "Jumping to Testing or Sid" and the Preferences is also from some post on this forum, but I can't recall which thread (though you advised not to have a preferences file at all).

What issues am I likely to face both with the preferences file and without (basically trying to understand the rationale for your no-preferences-file advice)?
I really do not mind a slightly delayed upgrades, but would find myself at sea if I do not have a GUI/Desktop to work on.
zerozero wrote:now that you backed-up the system (and before upgrade) is time to check a couple things:
please give us the output of

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inxi -r

deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import backport
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main non-free
and also

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cat /etc/apt/preferences
Package: *
Pin: release o=linuxmint
Pin-Priority: 700

Package: *
Pin: origin packages.linuxmint.com
Pin-Priority: 700

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: 500
Given the above, is it safe to now upgrade as below?

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apt-get dist-upgrade
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly gstreamer1.0-x iproute2 libatm1 libjson-c2
  liblua5.2-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common linux-headers-3.9-1-amd64
  linux-headers-3.9-1-common linux-image-3.9-1-amd64 linux-kbuild-3.9
The following packages will be upgraded:
  brasero brasero-common iproute libbrasero-media3-1 libjson0 libnm-gtk-common
  libnm-gtk0 librpm3 librpmio3 linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64
  network-manager-gnome rsyslog vino
14 upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

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zerozero wrote:
Chris wrote:linux-headers-amd64 is not installed. Perhaps I'm missing that one?
yes, i believe that this is the problem: you need linux-headers-<your-arch> and linux-image-<your-arch> to keep getting the latest headers and image today's DU
zz, that was it. Should have known that from the last Testing cycle. Thanks.

I have a fairly new AMD graphics card, and I run smxi-sgfxi to install the non-free ATI/AMD RadeonHD display driver. I fully expected to have to run the script after booting into the new kernel. When my desktop came up, I knew something was up. The basic driver is still installed, and was the default. So I ran smxi-sgfxi, and got this lovely message:

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ERROR: (234) The driver 13-4 does not support the 3.9 kernel.
You are running the 3.9-1-amd64 kernel. Unable to install your 13-4 driver.
You can override this test with -! 6 option. If install works, let maintainer know.
I forced the install of the latest 13-6 AMD beta driver by running the following in sgfxi:

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sgfxi -B -! 6
All is well.

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Chris M wrote:All is well.
:P good, now to the next breakage :lol:
narendra.d wrote:(basically trying to understand the rationale for your no-preferences-file advice)?
narendra.d,
the sources.list are ok, no worries there.
regarding the preferences file: i will assume that you know what it does (if not, ask and we'll go through that as well :wink: )
we had historically huge problems with it in lmde (mainly because of fontconfig), today that is solved because we are using the upstream version;
but we never know when the next issue will arise from incompatibilities between the pinned versions of mint and the versions of debian testing, so running without preferences file removes at least one possible issue (or several).

also, if you use (or need to use) the experimental suite repo this preferences file will mess up the natural PinPriority 1 of experimental [url]http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_archive_level_release_files[/url]
the above means what?
- without preferences file you can have the experimental repo active and dist-upgrade as much as you want that you never get upgrades from there (unless you clearly specify with apt-get -t experimental install <package>
- with the preferences file you'll upgrade to experimental completely next time you do dist-upgrade
and you never want to upgrade to experimental, get one or a few packages from there, yes, it's fine.
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Thank You @zerozero for that crystal clear explanation.
I do have a fair idea of what the preference file does, but was assuming that the pin priority assigned to debian applies to all versions like testing, unstable or experimental. I had no intention of keeping the experimental repo in my sources list, but now I may, but have to remove the preferences file and remember the natural pin priority of 1 for experimental.

Now for the kernel upgrade to 3.9, I have AMD Athlon X2 processor, nvidia graphics and use the nouveau driver. Is it safe to upgrade? Also, I will check for dist-upgrade both with and without the preferences file and see how they differ. I think I had once tried it without the preferences file, but chickened out before upgrading after seeing the big difference in number of packages that were going to be upgraded.

Thank you once again.

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narendra.d wrote:Now for the kernel upgrade to 3.9, I have AMD Athlon X2 processor, nvidia graphics and use the nouveau driver. Is it safe to upgrade?
narendra, even in the last Testing-wheezy cycle, I can't remember anyone having nouveau issues due to kernel upgrades. Maybe there was one time early on, but the issue really deals with non-free/prorpietary drivers. I'd bet $ that you'll have no problem, but as long as you keep your 3.2 kernel, you'll have a fallback.

You're always gambling a bit when using Testing. But maintaining the last kernel is insurance, and nouveau shouldn't be an issue very often, if at all.

Also, SID is in front of you, and the 3.9 kernel has been out for a while, so you have the possibility of an issue already being fleshed out. But googling kernel 3.9 nouveau debian testing doesn't produce alarms. [url=http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628420]Maybe 1 issue[/url]. But that's an old card/graphics chipset.

Have fun with testing and give it a go.

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