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Mint LMDE newbie

Post by PattiM » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:48 pm

Hi All: I've been using Linux for maybe almost 2 decades, starting with Lindows, then OpenSuSE, and most recently Kubuntu. I just haven't been liking how slow Kubuntu can be, and I haven't really gotten to love KDE4... Actually the LMDE (is it Gnome?) is a lot like KDE3 used to be without being too cluttered. So that's nice. It seems to detect everything on my i7 Pavilion laptop and my Phenom x6 desktop, so that is good. But I've noticed a lot of packages in LMDE aren't installable due to unmet dependencies (OpenShot, KDEnlive are two), even though I've heard Debian has the largest set of software of any linux distro. This is normal for LMDE (as opposed to the Ubuntu version)? I really like being close to a mainstream distro like Debian, but if package support is spotty, it might be better to go with LM?

I was also toying with leaving my laptop as it is, and just running LMDE from a *big* USB thumb drive. I have 8 GB memory, so I shouldn't need a swapfile.

Thanks for the fantastic work!!

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by chipbuster » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:47 am

I'm not sure exactly what's going on with the repositories (not a super geek here), but it seems like the apt sources for LMDE are broken or missing upon install. Things like OpenShot and WinFF/FFMpeg have some really basic dependencies that aren't met.

I've found that the following sources list will fix most of the dependency issues for multimedia packages in LMDE, and they've been stable so far (~2 weeks)

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free
I'm running LMDE with these sources, and I'm able to install both OpenShot and Kdenlive right now (at least, apt-get doesn't barf back dependency errors).

I've found running from USB 2.0 to be a bit of a pain, since the file I/O can be really, really slow. I'm hoping it'll be better on USB 3.0, but I don't have any USB 3 ports to test it on :(

Anyhoo, replace your sources with those on a LiveUSB and see if you can get the video editing suites to install. I personally tried Kubuntu 11.10 a couple months back, but K repeatedly crashed on me, so I was distro hopping for a good couple months. Mint Debian is a pretty good system :)

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by Oscar799 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:52 am

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by wowjustwow » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:30 pm

OP, have you updated to update pack 3? If you change your sources and update, you'll have fewer problems with unmet dependencies. Chipbuster's source list looks good to me (also, not a repo guru), but all you should need are the four posted here: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=185&t=82346

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by PattiM » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:52 am

Thank you very much for the replies!! :mrgreen:

I am interested both because of the "Debian" aspect (lots of packages and a super OS) and because Kubuntu was so sluggish. I noticed a KDE version of Mint was just released... I know it's based on Ubuntu so I am thinking it would be a lot more sluggish than LMDE. Is this correct? (Kubuntu KDE was REALLY sluggish.) I'm not in love with Gnome, but default LMDE Gnome seems more like KDE3 than KDE4 does. <<very surprised>> OTOH, I am probably most knowledgeable about KDE - so I'm a little conflicted - does anyone have a good feel for the differences between LMDE x64 and MintKDE x64? Sluggish OS's can be really frustrating. I have an i7 x8 laptop (1.6GHz) with 8GB memory, but Kubuntu and Win7 can get really sluggish. OTOH, there are a lot of packages getting written for Ubuntu due to its popularity, so Ubuntu compatibility might be a plus...

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by Arran » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:02 pm

Try installing KDE full on your updated LMDE. You then have a chance to choose at boot which Desktop you want to use.
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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by PattiM » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:50 pm

Arran wrote:Try installing KDE full on your updated LMDE. You then have a chance to choose at boot which Desktop you want to use.
You know, this morning over coffee I was thinking that was probably possible. Thanks :-)

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by PattiM » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:10 pm

Writing this from inside the live DVD of LMDE - detected my wifi, monitors, and everything on my Pavilion... KEWL! I'm getting ready to hit the install button over my opensuse distro, which I never did get working on this laptop. I was reading that "Unity" was the thing that made Ubuntu sluggish, but I only used KDE, so that didn't apply. It was just sluggish - even though I have a dedicated graphics card and memory on this laptop.

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by PattiM » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:44 pm

OK, got it installed and told GRUB to be installed on sdb6 (where LXDE is installed) but when EasyBCD tells the win 7 bootloader to boot there, there is no boot... :(
. o 0 (is it GRUB2?)

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by PattiM » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:48 am

Well, according to this topic, LMDE does use GRUB2.
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.p ... cd#p539321

Yes, I sort of figured that out. The trouble is that I don't know how to triple-boot with GRUB2. I have Kubuntu dual-booting, but the Kubuntu installer gives the option to boot from the root directory, and those words don't appear in the LMDE installer. I don't know if I need to install to the extended partition (the extended partition contains the logical drive that LMDE is installed to) or if it's a configuration problem with GRUB2. I was using EasyBCD and the Win7 bootloader to control everything - but I know even fewer technical details about that! EasyBCD claims GRUB2 should be self-configuring, but even though I tell it that LMDE is on sdb6, the LMDE option boots Kubuntu. Maybe I should go into Kubuntu and see if it's GRUB2 configurator can add the LMDE install.

This thread should prolly go to another forum now...

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by chipbuster » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:17 pm

Er....I've generally installed GRUB to devices and not partitions...e.g I write GRUB to sda (my main drive) and not to sda6 (the partition where Mint currently lives). I'm not sure if that's just me and I've been doing it wrong this whole time, though.

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by PattiM » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:52 pm

chipbuster wrote:I'm not sure exactly what's going on with the repositories (not a super geek here), but it seems like the apt sources for LMDE are broken or missing upon install. Things like OpenShot and WinFF/FFMpeg have some really basic dependencies that aren't met.

I've found that the following sources list will fix most of the dependency issues for multimedia packages in LMDE, and they've been stable so far (~2 weeks)

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free
EDIT: OK, I went with the 4 repos suggested here (adding chipbuster's repo suggestions didn't seem to work): http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=185&t=82346
...and then at least these two installed correctly. SOLVED.

I previously got this error applying the update pak:
E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad_0.10.22-3_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstxvid.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad 0.10.22-0.1

...so I just told it to not install gstreamer.

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Re: Mint LMDE newbie

Post by Gerd50 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:02 am

There is a solution for it. Run the update again and when you get the error past this on the terminal:

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sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad_0.10.22-3_amd64.deb
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