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When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:47 pm
by hd_scania
As what I have asked here (just few days after the Stretch stabilization), and Debian Stretch is stabilized for a month, but the Betsy ISO repo are NOT YET mirrored with the more recent ISO of Stretch/Betsy, and the desktop shell I need are Cinnamon, MATE, LXQt, Xfce of course.

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:22 pm
by Reorx
When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out? I'm not sure but I think the answer is never. Betsy (LMDE2) uses Jessie as its code base. I believe LMDE3 (code name not yet published) will be based on Stretch. There isn't any announcement regarding LMDE3 that I know of and it isn't yet in beta... but we are all hopeful for its arrival in the not so distant future...

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:21 am
by jimallyn
The answer I see most often to questions like that is, "When it's ready." There are a few people here who may have some inside information on that, though.

R: When will be Linux Mint alpha out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:10 am
by hd_scania
I think it needs to be regardless if it is ready, I think I would need to taste a developmental release aka Linux Mint alpha (= pre-LMDE + Debian testing) like Debian testing itself, in fact this improves and accelerates your developments, also amuses the other Unix enthusiasts like myself. :)
Honestly Debian testing is just like Tumbleweed or Arch which BOTH are updating the most recent stabilized packs, at least NOT AS UNSTABLE as (Debian) Sid and Fedora Rawhide. :)

Re: When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:17 am
by Pierre
you are unlikely to ever see an Alpha version of LMDE,
but if you did watch the FTP site closely, then you would be able to get an Beta version of it,
& of course, the Final Version, as well.

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:27 am
by Moem
What is so urgent about this question, apart from the fact that you seem to be impatient?

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:26 am
by JerryF
Moem wrote:What is so urgent about this question, apart from the fact that you seem to be impatient?
+1

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:40 am
by ddurdle
Back in the day of LMDE 1, there used to be a "testng" version that was pointing to snapshots of Debian testing. Those wanting to help out would use it and report issue, and eventually the snapshot would become the regular LMDE 1 update.

It would be less hardship on the maintainers to do the same for LMDE 3 and let the community help identify what is broken. Whole purpose of alpha testing. Less burden on the maintainers and LMDE 3 will be ready faster.

If you were eager, you could try switching your repository to Debian Stretch but I think as others pointed out in the other threads discussing this topic, you'll have a heck of a time with MATE and Cinnamon.

There are still updates planned for Jessie (next on 07/22 I think).

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:04 am
by Pepi
As long as my LMDE2 is security safe I'm good with it. With the newest Cinnamon release it kicks butt :D

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:39 am
by ddurdle
I wonder what all the hype is about with Cinnamon. I haven't tried it since LMDE 1. I'm to accustom to MATE with Compiz and Emerald. Too many productivity add-ons that losing would result in continued frustration.

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:46 pm
by Crewp
ddurdle wrote:It would be less hardship on the maintainers to do the same for LMDE 3 .
I think it is less work for the Dev's and Maintainers now that LMDE is based on Debian Stable, than it was before when it was based on Debian Testing. I'm sure LMDE 3 will be here soon enough. Mint never runs on a release schedule.

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:10 pm
by Pepi
ddurdle wrote:I wonder what all the hype is about with Cinnamon. I haven't tried it since LMDE 1. I'm to accustom to MATE with Compiz and Emerald. Too many productivity add-ons that losing would result in continued frustration.

Not really into the 'EyeCandy' stuff. I've got a desktop with KDE for that stuff. I was using LMDE2 with Mate and after I upgraded to MATE 18 it just fell apart for me. The 'looks' I had were long gone and with Cinnamon I got them back. I also don't see where Cinnamon is slower like I've read. I do have all the effects stuff turned off through

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:16 pm
by sdibaja
Pepi wrote:
ddurdle wrote:I wonder what all the hype is about with Cinnamon. I haven't tried it since LMDE 1. I'm to accustom to MATE with Compiz and Emerald. Too many productivity add-ons that losing would result in continued frustration.

Not really into the 'EyeCandy' stuff. I've got a desktop with KDE for that stuff. I was using LMDE2 with Mate and after I upgraded to MATE 18 it just fell apart for me. The 'looks' I had were long gone and with Cinnamon I got them back. I also don't see where Cinnamon is slower like I've read. I do have all the effects stuff turned off through
Unfortunately I had the same problem just a day or two ago. I avoided updating my wife's laptop (LMDE Mate) since late April because of that "Level 1" 1.18 update at the end of the month.
I accepted the updates, let it change settings, and it killed the system. Black screen with cursor and my conky.
My wife actually uses that laptop. She would be outraged if I broke it so I installed an actual Stable Debian 9 based OS with Mate and copied over her data and settings. (she is thrilled with the increase in performance)

Mint has changed. They are obviously not testing before release, nor do they consider full function "important". With Cinnamon that is understandable, it is still in development. But Mate?

I think we need to relax and not be anxious to grab "shinny new things". Mint will probably adapt and repair.
Jessie will have full support (by Debian) for One More Year.

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:34 pm
by hd_scania
sdibaja wrote:My wife actually uses that laptop. She would be outraged if I broke it so I installed an actual Stable Debian 9 based OS with MATE and copied over her data and settings. (she is thrilled with the increase in performance)
Mint has changed. They are obviously not testing before release, nor do they consider full function "important". With Cinnamon that is understandable, it is still in development. But MATE?
I think we need to relax and not be anxious to grab "shinny new things". Mint will probably adapt and repair.
Jessie will have full support (by Debian) for One More Year.
It needs to be why Linux Mint is needed to re-open its Linux Mint alpha (= Debian testing + pre-LMDE) to the general public, which you have told to us which Linux Mint DOES NOT NOW AND HEREIN test its releases, honestly and not to be denied yes Linux Mint is needed to be come back to public alpha, plus Linux Mint is needed to establish its own wiki and Bugzilla. :)

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:56 pm
by hd_scania
Crewp wrote:
ddurdle wrote:It would be less hardship on the maintainers to do the same for LMDE 3 .
I think it is less work for the Dev's and Maintainers now that LMDE is based on Debian Stable, than it was before when it was based on Debian Testing. I'm sure LMDE 3 will be here soon enough. Mint never runs on a release schedule.
Not very likely to be named LMDE 3 for the next release, and instead will be come back to true versionless like Tumbleweed, Arch, Gentoo etc. :)

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:16 pm
by sdibaja
maybe these lists will help us understand the focus on development, and the direction that Mint envisions:
https://github.com/linuxmint/Roadmap

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:55 pm
by ddurdle
Pepi wrote:
ddurdle wrote:I wonder what all the hype is about with Cinnamon. I haven't tried it since LMDE 1. I'm to accustom to MATE with Compiz and Emerald. Too many productivity add-ons that losing would result in continued frustration.

Not really into the 'EyeCandy' stuff. I've got a desktop with KDE for that stuff. I was using LMDE2 with Mate and after I upgraded to MATE 18 it just fell apart for me. The 'looks' I had were long gone and with Cinnamon I got them back. I also don't see where Cinnamon is slower like I've read. I do have all the effects stuff turned off through
Sounds like you were using a theme that wasn't 1.8 compatible. Because my theme wasn't neither, and everything seemed broken, but I switched to an included "mainline" theme and everything works, and works well.

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:14 pm
by mike acker
hd_scania wrote:
Crewp wrote:
ddurdle wrote:It would be less hardship on the maintainers to do the same for LMDE 3 .
I think it is less work for the Dev's and Maintainers now that LMDE is based on Debian Stable, than it was before when it was based on Debian Testing. I'm sure LMDE 3 will be here soon enough. Mint never runs on a release schedule.
Not very likely to be named LMDE 3 for the next release, and instead will be come back to true versionless like Tumbleweed, Arch, Gentoo etc. :)
why don't you just go get a copy?

I installed one just to try it out. it works just fine. it's like getting the raw materials though. I had to install the "non free stuff" annex to it -- that worked OK--

but, to get everything to work like you want it -- may take you a bit of effort.

my advice: download/install it on a test disk. maybe it covers what you want -- as is . only one way to find out: Go for It!!

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:39 pm
by JosephM
Not very likely to be named LMDE 3 for the next release, and instead will be come back to true versionless like Tumbleweed, Arch, Gentoo etc. :)
That's not happening.

Re: [URGENT] When is Linux Mint Stretch/Betsy out?

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:12 pm
by axisofevil
So should I install proper Debian + Cinnamon and forget about Mint/LMDE, since no update is going to be issued?