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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby sdibaja » Tue May 09, 2017 10:06 am

filozofio wrote:<snip> I think this new version of MATE should have been tested a bit more before releasing it to the "normal" users.

Actually it is NOT a problem with Mate, and version 1.8.1 is not "new". The problem is the way that Mate implements It.
I am not an expert in this subject, but I think it goes like this.
Mate 1.8.1 was released on March 13, 2017. https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2017-03-1 ... -released/

Mint creates Cinnamon, other distros also use it, that's fine but to me it is clumsy... not intuitive or comfortable...
Mate is created by Mate (I believe Clem was on the original Mate team). Mint uses Mate, but highly modified. The panel layout and menus get modified, it looks much like Cinnamon... and there are lots of very elegant little enhancements that I love.

at this moment I am using Point Linux with Mate 1.8.1 and it works very well with zero glitches... exactly as it should be, and even as good as Gnome 2. Granted I miss lots of little rightclick functions, but at least the panels don't freeze constantly forcing me to reboot... I focus on my work, not the stupid computer. ;-)

for now I will hold onto LMDE, and continue to be a sponsor and donor. I love Mint! ... but I find myself using Point almost constantly for the last week.
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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby filozofio » Tue May 09, 2017 10:56 am

I understood in this thread (Monsta said it) that the bug (Firefox freezing MATE) is in MATE; and that is has been solved in the git version, but it is still not in our repositories. Ubuntu MATE users also experience it.

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby chrisuk » Tue May 09, 2017 11:44 am

I thought I'd better balance things a bit:

I already posted in this thread, as I too had a number of problems with the updates to 1.18, but since the fixes (all were available in Update Manager) and a bit of fiddling by me (just to sort out a few cosmetic glitches) everything is working as it did before.
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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby Pepi » Tue May 09, 2017 12:36 pm

chrisuk wrote:I thought I'd better balance things a bit:

I already posted in this thread, as I too had a number of problems with the updates to 1.18, but since the fixes (all were available in Update Manager) and a bit of fiddling by me (just to sort out a few cosmetic glitches) everything is working as it did before.


Good to know this ... Time to make a good backup and go for it

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby kevinthefixer » Tue May 09, 2017 10:28 pm

Pepi wrote:Good to know this ... Time to make a good backup and go for it

Thanks for the reminder, I haven't backed up in a couple months. Keep us posted on the updates...

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby Pepi » Wed May 10, 2017 8:47 am

kevinthefixer wrote:
Pepi wrote:Good to know this ... Time to make a good backup and go for it

Thanks for the reminder, I haven't backed up in a couple months. Keep us posted on the updates...


I did a backup yesterday and then chickened out. I think I'm just going to live with 1.16 and ignore the new MATE updates. I'm happy with what I have and I don't see any security issues by doing this. I did download 'POINT' and it is impressive. Very lean OS 8) I'm keeping this one in mind

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby sdibaja » Wed May 10, 2017 9:20 am

Pepi wrote:
kevinthefixer wrote:
Pepi wrote:Good to know this ... Time to make a good backup and go for it

Thanks for the reminder, I haven't backed up in a couple months. Keep us posted on the updates...


I did a backup yesterday and then chickened out. I think I'm just going to live with 1.16 and ignore the new MATE updates. I'm happy with what I have and I don't see any security issues by doing this. I did download 'POINT' and it is impressive. Very lean OS 8) I'm keeping this one in mind


Point may be a dead project, their forum is inactive.
Debian 8.8 Mate non-free 64Bit is excellent. I am running it now from a live USB. It is also quite spartan, missing all of those Truly Elegant LMDE enhancements. It is using the Mate version 1.8.1 ... I have Not installed it, that would be the true test.

Positive Vibes for Clem and the Mint Team
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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby fblais » Wed May 10, 2017 12:46 pm

I've installed Debian 8.8 MATE yesterday.
It comes with the Menta theme by default, which is a bit similar to Mint-X green, but you can install additional themes through the repo.
I download a lot of third-party themes from opendesktop.org anyway, so that isn't an issue for me.
A utility I like very much in Mint is mintstick.
It comes as two utilities in the Accessories folder, one to format a thumbdrive, the other to transfer an ISO to it.

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby filozofio » Fri May 12, 2017 4:12 pm

I just received the new update.
The bug (Mate freezing when Firefox looking for downloads folder) is overcome!
Congratulations for the good work!!!!

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby Pepi » Fri May 12, 2017 8:21 pm

filozofio wrote:I just received the new update.
The bug (Mate freezing when Firefox looking for downloads folder) is overcome!
Congratulations for the good work!!!!


Everything else OK

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby sdibaja » Sat May 13, 2017 10:41 am

Unfortunately the newest updates did not help me with creating toolbar launchers or dragging files to the toolbar..
This is not isolated to one machine, it is the same on all of them

for the last few days I have been distro hopping, bare metal installs of Point, Debian, MX, Solyd, etc. either with Mate 1.18 out of the box or added. None have this problem.
If there is something I can do to help troubleshoot this I am willing and able.
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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby Pepi » Sun May 14, 2017 9:33 am

I'm glad I 'Stalled' on the MATE 1.18 update. Just happy with my setup right now. My laptop runs like a well oiled sewing machine 8) I've tried Mint with Mate before but LMDE2 runs so much faster

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby fblais » Mon May 15, 2017 8:20 am

sdibaja wrote:Unfortunately the newest updates did not help me with creating toolbar launchers or dragging files to the toolbar..

The updates didn't help me either.
When I hover the mouse over the toolbar launchers, I still get the text in english instead of my (french-canada) locale).
Most themes are still badly displayed as well, even amongst the standard gnome themes.

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby ledudulela » Mon May 15, 2017 2:41 pm

hello,
when session starts, this message appears:
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"error
workspace selector unexpectedly left.
if you reload an element of the mate-panel, it will be automatically added to the panel."
[Delete] [Dot not reload] [Reload]

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby sdibaja » Thu May 18, 2017 2:19 pm

good morning
I just made a fresh install LMDE2 Mate. I have not updated it.
Can someone provide a list of updates form the day of the crash so that I can blacklist them?
If not I will run without updating at all.
Thanks, Peter
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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby Pepi » Sat May 20, 2017 1:25 pm

Hi Peter:

Here is my 'blacklist'. It appears we are on our own on getting MATE 1.18 to work :( So far, my system works fine so I'm not worrying about it. Be sure and do a full image backup of your new install just encase ... you know. Good luck
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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby sdibaja » Sat May 20, 2017 1:34 pm

Pepi wrote:Hi Peter:

Here is my 'blacklist'. It appears we are on our own on getting MATE 1.18 to work :( So far, my system works fine so I'm not worrying about it. Be sure and do a full image backup of your new install just encase ... you know. Good luck


thanks... positive vibes and patience my friend
I will try again someday.
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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby sdibaja » Sun May 21, 2017 3:39 pm

Pepi wrote:Hi Peter:

Here is my 'blacklist'. It appears we are on our own on getting MATE 1.18 to work :( So far, my system works fine so I'm not worrying about it. Be sure and do a full image backup of your new install just encase ... you know. Good luck


Thanks Pepi:
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To recap: this is a fresh install using the 2017 ISO, using a Copy of my previous /home partition
I first used the list of blacklisted packages furnished by Pepi above to make the same blacklist locally.
I then modified my Levels, no "safe" levels, but all visible
Then used "select all" and made a full update.
to verify see my screen shots here >>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h9787ey2oi8y ... 0l1Ka?dl=0

All functions appear to run as expected.

*** Question: Is there some reason to feel that this is "unsafe" or "not secure"?

Thanks, Peter

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby Pepi » Sun May 21, 2017 4:14 pm

I've been wondering this also :?: I installed POINT with MATE 1.18 on a Virtual Box and I don't see any problems with it :?: :?: :?: I'm confused on why MATE 1.18 is only messed up with Mint LMDE?

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Re: MATE 1.18 updates

Postby petko_alov » Sun May 21, 2017 8:23 pm

clem wrote:
Monsta wrote:
clem wrote:
This is GTK3. There's nothing themes can do to change that.

Well, it doesn't happen with Mint-X and Adwaita. :)
I can reproduce it just by setting GTK+ theme to some of mate-themes, leaving icon theme as is (Mint-X in my case).
I'm in Mint 18.1 now though - apparently it's not just LMDE issue.


The icons themselves are up to the theme.. but the widget itself changed between GTK2 and GTK3. It used to be a number with two little arrows, it's now a box with a number and - and + buttons.


Well, I got some time and did a little digging into the issue - in fact, played a bit with the themes an icon themes: GreenLaguna with its default icons from menta has a proper minus; replacing menta icons with mate icons also displays the proper minus sign... changing the icon theme to matefaenza brings up the red cross instead of minus sign :o((

Some more digging into the icon theme contents showed up that the difference is in the list-remove.png icon (minus in menta and mate, cross in matefaenza); this icon is a link target of lot of other icons in "actions" folders of the icon themes. While mate icon theme has another target for delete icons (edit-delete.png):
/usr/share/icons/mate/22x22/actions/editdelete.png -> edit-delete.png
/usr/share/icons/mate/22x22/actions/gtk-delete.png -> edit-delete.png
/usr/share/icons/mate/22x22/actions/stock_delete.png -> edit-delete.png

matefaenza uses list-remove.png as a link target for delete icons
/usr/share/icons/matefaenza/actions/22/edit-delete.png -> list-remove.png
/usr/share/icons/matefaenza/actions/22/editdelete.png -> list-remove.png
/usr/share/icons/matefaenza/actions/22/gtk-delete.png -> list-remove.png
/usr/share/icons/matefaenza/actions/22/stock_delete.png -> list-remove.png

(22x22 folder is taken as an example, same in all other sizes)

So, it's somewhat explainable that list-remove become a red cross in matefaenza :o).


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