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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by zorzi » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:29 am

I would still have liked to have seen LMDE 3 released in what I consider a time appropriate implementation, but that ship has sailed.
Yeah, patience is required. We've been more and more focused on LMDE3 since Stretch was released more than 6 months ago. But LMDE2 is still supported.
I ended up moving to Arch.
Hello Fred. I don't really understand how could you switch from LMDE2 to Arch with so different politics.
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by xenopeek » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:56 am

Please move other distro talk to Chat about Linux forum and stay on topic here about LMDE 3.
kovalskisrbzorin wrote:But, my actually question is: When LMDE 3 comes out? Greetings for nice and friendly community, long live Mint. Cheers :D.
Keep an eye on the blog for news about LMDE 3. As shared on our most recent Monthly News, we're working on LMDE 3. Developers and designers are working on migrating our software to work with the new package base of LMDE 3.
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by curtvaughan » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:25 pm

zorzi wrote:
I would still have liked to have seen LMDE 3 released in what I consider a time appropriate implementation, but that ship has sailed.
Yeah, patience is required. We've been more and more focused on LMDE3 since Stretch was released more than 6 months ago. But LMDE2 is still supported.
I ended up moving to Arch.
Hello Fred. I don't really understand how could you switch from LMDE2 to Arch with so different politics.
I'm curious as to what most LMDE* users are involved with - are you running server based implementations, or desktops? I would think that LMDE* would be very acceptable as a server based distribution as per Debian. Retired from the IT business for quite a while, my interests lie in desktop distros, which I use on laptops for personal use and experimentation. I still stick with Mint for my stable desktop-oriented distro - I trust it with my business transactions and the like, as it is quite stable and also offers nice frontend software support, graphics, and the like, often missing from server-oriented systems like Debian/LMDE/Devuan. Like Fred mentions, I too have over the last year started playing around with Arch and Arch-based distros (not necessarily in that order!). I found the Arch installation to be pretty straightforward, especially since Arch wikis are stellar for installation details (for a challenge, install Artix, a systemd free Arch based distro with openrc layered - the main challenge is in flawed installation documentation). Anyway, politics aside, I can't imagine using rolling-released Arch for servers - Debian/LMDE/Devuan and the like would be much more reliable on a 24/7 basis with little needed downtime. If I was still a server admin, I'd be torn between LMDE* and Devuan these days. If anything went wrong with my LMDE* installations, I'd have access to the fine Linuxmint forums for support (as opposed to Debian - aaahhhggg!), and for Devuan the core developers can be quite helpful.
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by Penn » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:12 pm

zorzi wrote:
Penn wrote:I would still have liked to have seen LMDE 3 released in what I consider a time appropriate implementation, but that ship has sailed.
Yeah, patience is required. We've been more and more focused on LMDE3 since Stretch was released more than 6 months ago. But LMDE2 is still supported.
Required? Only if a person feels the "M" for Mint is necessary AND doesn't have a need for certain more recent software versions. A few on this forum have already stated they made the switch to Stretch and for each of us who have said it there are probably quite a few more who have switched without saying it.

In the case of the machine I have running Stretch, there was a program that needs a new lib version for which there is no backward compatibility to the Jessie base so I can't get the newer version of the program I "needed" (yes, I'm aware it is actually a want I but phrased that way for a reason). However, it is sufficient for me to only have it on that machine which I use for limited purposes. In that case it works out since one of those limited purposes at that time (not any more) was experimenting so Stretch started as an experiment for me but I like it now.

As for the "M", the only thing I miss from Mint is the update manager on that computer. I had it working at one point by several alterations to it after install from a deb (haven't tried altering source and compiling) but when it stopped working I just didn't have time to play around with it. The other Mint tools I like (mintstick and xed) install from deb files easily in Stretch.

The laptop that still has LMDE 2 is partially a matter of that "patience" and the fact I am not someone who thinks a higher version number means better. Even so, if I was doing a new install on a daily driver as that one is, it would be Stretch over the outdated LMDE2. So, that doesn't change the fact that it would be nice to have the Debian balance of newer versions but not at the cost of stability.

Which leads me to
I ended up moving to Arch.
Hello Fred. I don't really understand how could you switch from LMDE2 to Arch with so different politics.
I agree. I can see Arch as an experiment or a change in what you want from a distro but not as a direct replacement for the stability of Debian/Mint.

You sound like a developer with your above phrasing. If so, it is always nice to hear from you guys on the forum.[/quote]
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by zorzi » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:47 am

I'm sorry if my words were a little bit "agressive".

I understand what you feel. I was really hoping to see LMDE3 release a few times after Stretch release. And I still check potential news regularly.

But now we know that we should not have to wait very long. I switched from LMDE2 to Debian a year ago before releasing that mint tools (updater etc.) are really missing in a pure Debian Mate.
I know LMDE3 will only be provided with Cinnamon but, nevermind, I enjoy distros focused on a single DE.
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by Hansl » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:05 pm

Another example why I feel so left behind with LMDE2:
viewtopic.php?f=238&t=262413&p=1422958#p1422958

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by Hansl » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:23 pm

Fred Barclay wrote: The critical part of that quote is the and you do not have a distribution supporting you bit. ;) The Debian oldstable team still supports the 3.16 kernel, so fixes should be pushed out to Debian 8, and LMDE 2, soon.
Well, the 3.16 kernel patches have arrived; but I still don*t see the patched intel-microcode 3.20180108.0 in LMDE2?

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by sdibaja » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:33 pm

re: Mate 1.18 vs Mate 1.16
I use both in Debian, 1.16 with Stretch (stable) and 1.18 with another non critical machine running Buster-Sid (testing-unstable).
Buster is buggy, not reliable. Sometimes it is a real pain to use.
there are Zero features in Buster-Sid that I would want at the price of Stability.

It is a lot of fun to play with shiny new things. I suggest it is best to do that in a separate system.

LMDE3 sounds great, I hope it is successful. I will definitely try it out. I will do my best to strip out all traces of Cinnamon and replace it with Mate, the full version not the Ubuntu Mate thing.

Best of luck Mr. Mint!
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by Andy-A » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:29 pm

I moved to Arch too (with XFCE). No problems so far (had to downgrade a couple of packages but nothing mission-critical).

I was planning to try LMDE3 (if it wasn't already too out of date), but I can't run Cinnamon on this old box...

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by dezo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:36 am

Hei guys,
is there any experimental LMDE3 iso build to try?

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by xenopeek » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:45 am

Not yet. All effort is going into Cinnamon development currently, so that Linux Mint 19 and LMDE 3 can be delivered with an awesome new version of that.
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by Hansl » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:05 am

I've seen in the blog that LMDE3 is now expected in June (2018?) — I really hope that Clem & the team will achieve this: I do like LMDE (Mate!) and I do appreciate the effort put into it, I'm not at all thrilled at the thought to switch to another dist. 
It is just that ever more problems come up with oldstable Jessie, lots of applications drop it.  Latest example: since December I cannot upgrade my Vuescan any more because it depends now on a newer libstdc++.so.6, but I now need that upgrade to support a new scanner… (Ugly workaround: LD_LIBRARY_PATH to a private libstdc++.so.6 from Stretch.) Hopefully the next switch to Debian 10 will not be that much delayed in Mint.

Thank you for your work! Hans

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by axisofevil » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:03 pm

I've got a couple of programs a bit like that, where I've had to put copies of Stretch programs in my /home because the old ones don't work properly...

Perhaps the rate at which Debian produces stable upgrades is too high?

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by rbeltz48 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:29 am

Once LMDE3 is out, both Cinnamon and MATE, how long will it be supported? Will it be 3 or 5 years? Thanks.

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by xenopeek » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:36 pm

LMDE 3 will only come in a Cinnamon edition. Packages for MATE may be officially maintained for LMDE 3, that has been discussed, so one could install MATE on top of the Cinnamon edition.

LMDE 3 will be based on Debian 9 "Stretch", which will have full support till somewhere 2020 (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases) and additional long-term support till June 2022 (https://wiki.debian.org/LTS).
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by rbeltz48 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:50 pm

I wonder how MATE on top of Cinnamon will work in LMDE 3. I hope it will not require much overhead. Also, do you know how long Linux Mint will support LMDE 2?

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by xenopeek » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:03 pm

I don't know how long LMDE 2 will be supported by Linux Mint. Full support for Debian 8 "Jessie", on which LMDE 2 is based, ends this June but Debian LTS team then takes over long term support till April 2020. Users don't need to do anything for that. We may likely see an answer to your question with the release of LMDE 3, giving users of LMDE 2 a timetable for when they would need to upgrade.

As for MATE on top of Cinnamon, it will not require much overhead aside from the initial installation. There is already a lot of overlap between MATE and Cinnamon on Linux Mint because of the X-Apps (common applications used by all of Linux Mint's edition). We can cover the how of it in a tutorial over the release of LMDE 3.
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by mzsade » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:19 pm

Since my laptop crashed and i've been forced to rely on this android....how about a mint for android, that has got to be a commercially viable project..
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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by kevinthefixer » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:45 pm

mzsade wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:19 pm
Since my laptop crashed and i've been forced to rely on this android....how about a mint for android, that has got to be a commercially viable project..
Linux for Droids has been attempted, but AFAIK never very successfully. Almost always very slow, usually problems with hardware drivers (what good is a touchscreen device if the touchscreen doesn't work?). I have an Asus TF700 with a Debian installation on it, it barely works at all and in fact I'm about to uninstall it. Android works pretty well on such machines, I recommend you stick with it. Now, restoring your laptop and installing Mint, whatever version, sounds feasible.

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Re: Linux Mint Debian Edition 3

Post by ChrisMW » Wed May 09, 2018 5:18 am

After thinking about this long and hard, I've decided to move over to Debian Buster / 10 / testing.

I liked the original LMDE, because it was a little closer to Debian and a little ahead of pack. With LMDE 2 that changed, as a system, it was rock solid. But lately I noticed that keeping functional was requiring more and more effort. The Jessie backports helped, but being oldstable meant an slow but steady increase of having to work around things. Seeing LMDE 3 was going to be a Debian 9 base, and MATE (which I really like) was rumoured to move back to an older version, my reason for liking LMDE required re-examining.

So a couple of weeks back, I leaped into Buster. I'd be lying if I said it was just like LMDE. I had to tweak / install a little more. But because I had the LMDE/LMDE2 experience, it wasn't anything to worry about. Now, with the new system up and running, I'm happy with the choice. It's still very stable, not a single hiccup so far, it is more volatile, lots of updates every week, requiring a new restarts. But works very well.

However, the idea of LMDE is great, more bare metal, more closely aligned with Debian. I've had too many issues over the years with Ubuntu's additions for that to be a consideration for me. But I think LMDE should be a little more in the forefront than the main distro. It is now turning into the more stable and boring cousin. LMDE has taught me a lot, I'm not a distro person, I wanted a platform that is primarily stable, but maintainble. I'm not a terminal shy person, but need the platform to work well in wide range of environments. I wanted it Debian based, not Ubuntu based. LMDE did all of that. I was so well served and donated a couple of times. I got a little wiser. What I am currently missing is a clear target audience for LMDE 3. I feel I'm not in the target audience, but struggle to think of who is. LMDE was always the niche, but it seems no longer to be my niche. Still, perhaps if I keep on learning, I might one day return and help out.....

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