JosephM knows better than I, but my understanding is that we will get an LMDE 3 sometime in the future. We just have to wait (impatiently)...axisofevil wrote:So should I install proper Debian + Cinnamon and forget about Mint/LMDE, since no update is going to be issued?
As far as I know there will be a LMDE3 at some point. I'm just saying it isn't going back to the rolling release model. I don't see any case where it wouldn't be based on the new Debian stable.JosephM knows better than I, but my understanding is that we will get an LMDE 3 sometime in the future. We just have to wait (impatiently)...
It's not a Mint problem, Peter, it's a MATE regression. I'm using the latest MATE with Manjaro, and it affects me too.sdibaja wrote:Personally I have no doubt that Linux Mint will eventually produce LMDE 3 based on Stretch.
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However my feeling is that Mate is not very important to Mint, perhaps unimportant.
The version of Mate that Mint produces is unique. They have created a version that is very much like Cinnamon in layout, and it is distasteful to me. I have been using Gnome 2 and Mate for a long time and I find the Traditional layout and function as ideal for multi-tasking and office productivity... less keyboarding and less clicks to execute simple repetitive tasks.
No big deal, I can rearrange panels, the Menu Bar, and such while the initial update is running.
but now function is lacking:
I constantly drag and drop files and folders to the panel for quick access during my workday, and delete them when done... and that basic function has been lost/deleted. I believe it is on the todo list, but maybe not.
I do understand that Mint is aimed at making everything very windows like for the new converts, I am fine with that, but I need to work.
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STABILITY is highly important to me. Set it and Forget it. Just use the darn computer and ignore the OS... just accept the updates. Did we loose that goal of stability?
All of my LMDE Mate installs are slowly going away, either because of loss of function or updates resulting in black screens.
I want my LMDE back!
Sorry for the rant
That's the first time I've seen him mention a timeline for LMDE3. It makes sense from a developer perspective. At that point we would be working on Mint 19 as well. Because of the newer versions of some major underlying libraries like Gtk will be at the same versions for both we would be able to effectively kill two birds with one stone. The newer version of Gtk that will come with both will, for instance, require a near rewrite of some of our themes. The nice part is for once they will both be on the same version.Crewp wrote:If you read the July Blog comments, Clem states LMDE3 will arrive sometime in the first quarter of 2018
That would definitely be easier on you guys - but I have to admit I'm a bit disappointed.JosephM wrote:That's the first time I've seen him mention a timeline for LMDE3. It makes sense from a developer perspective.Crewp wrote:If you read the July Blog comments, Clem states LMDE3 will arrive sometime in the first quarter of 2018
It's quite a bit 'till then and I would have like to see LMDE 3 sooner.However, I am unlike you, I need to compromise some stability to reach the top security standard and the top bleeding edge, it needs to stand for, Stretch is not yet fit to me, even Jessie is already old-schooled to me, I ultimately need Buster now.sdibaja wrote:Personally I have no doubt that Linux Mint will eventually produce LMDE 3 based on Stretch.
STABILITY is highly important to me. Set it and Forget it. Just use the darn computer and ignore the OS... just accept the updates. Did we loose that goal of stability?
All of my LMDE Mate installs are slowly going away, either because of loss of function or updates resulting in black screens.
I want my LMDE back!
Sorry for the rant
Not compatible in the same sentence.hd_scania wrote: However, I am unlike you, I need to compromise some stability to reach the top security standard and the top bleeding edge, it needs to stand for, Stretch is not yet fit to me, even Jessie is already old-schooled to me, I ultimately need Buster now.
Not quite rightsdibaja wrote:Jessie is getting to be a short timer, so it is time to consider upgrading. But we have a year or more to do that...
"a year or more"Bolle1961 wrote:Not quite rightsdibaja wrote:Jessie is getting to be a short timer, so it is time to consider upgrading. But we have a year or more to do that...
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
axisofevil wrote:So should I install proper Debian + Cinnamon and forget about Mint/LMDE, since no update is going to be issued?
sdibaja wrote:We all need to re-evaluate our personal needs and goals.
There is a range between "new shiny things" and boring "get it done".
LMDE is somewhere in the middle.
For true Stability I don't believe you can do better than Debian Stable, either Jessie or Stretch. That's just my opinion, I am no expert, but I am not new to this (at the consumer level).
Jessie is getting to be a short timer, so it is time to consider upgrading. But we have a year or more to do that...
If you are a Gnome 2 aka Mate user you may note that some distros issue Mate that is not fully functional... that includes Ubuntu, Mint, LMDE, and several non Debian spins.
Two months of struggle (and education) has brought Me to Debian 9 Mate non-free. Most of the little things that I thought were distro unique are actually in the Mate "extras", and synaptic also helps.
...and It Works...
(note that Jessie ships with Mate 1.18 and Stretch ships with Mate 1.16)
It is more work to build your own. Is it necessary? Maybe for you it is.
It definitely is or me.
I Need a stable platform to work on. Predictable and ergonomic.
The last thing I need is a "trusted and tested update" that crashes everything just hours before I go on the road intending to Work.
