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Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby axisofevil » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:37 pm

What is the difference between LMDE2 and Stretch + Cinnamon?
Is there any appreciable functional difference?
I appreciate a certain lack of prettyness and icon themes etc in such a move, but at least I would be able to update my applications.
Also, the Debian installer isn't all that nice.

But, I've been using Debian in the shape of LMDE1 & LMDE2 for several years.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't drop LMDE2 and go for Debian + Cinnamon?
Unfortunately, the LMDE developers seem to be stopping development - a great shame for such an excellent product.

At least I'm planning on building a VM to see what it looks like.
I anticipate a lot of reconfiguration.

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby MintBean » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:53 pm

Do people really believe these melodramatic whinge threads will expedite the arrival of LMDE3?

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby axisofevil » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:57 am

Not really an answer is it?

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby chrisuk » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:25 am

You can configure Debian to look and feel like LMDE2, you just need to download the non-free iso - then add compatible Mint apps (Mintstick, for example) that you want/need. I've no idea how successful you'l be, and you still won't get all the latest packages, because even Debian Unstable doesn't have the latest of everything... no repo does.

If you just want newer packages, try a rolling distro. If you want the very latest and a stable OS... you won't get what you want, as it doesn't exist - you'll need to compromise. (Although you can get pretty close with an Arch-based Distro, or maybe Gentoo).

Have a look here to see which Distros have the most up-to-date packages - use the search to find specific packages. You might be surprised how outdated some Distro repos are.
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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby killer de bug » Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:01 am

axisofevil wrote:Unfortunately, the LMDE developers seem to be stopping development

Oh really ? You have news we don't have ? :lol:
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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby zorzi » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:21 pm

Hello,

To my mind, one of the main interests of LMDE2 is the possibility or receiving the last desktop (Mate or Cinnamon) releases (like Neon with Plasma) . For instance LMDE2 runs with Mate 1.18 whereas Debian Stretch is stuck with Mate 1.16.
Desktop: HP Pavilion a6435 (Athlon64 2x 2,6Ghz, Radeon R7-240, Ram 4 Go, HD 500 Go) / Debian Stretch (XFCE)
Laptop: Packard-Bell EasyNote G1320 (Celeron 1,3 Ghz, ATI Mobility Radeon 9100 IGP, Ram 1,2 Go, HD 40 Go) / Debian Stretch

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby axisofevil » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:00 pm

killer de bug wrote:
axisofevil wrote:Unfortunately, the LMDE developers seem to be stopping development

Oh really ? You have news we don't have ? :lol:

Sorry - but despatch of updates to LMDE2 have dwindled to virtually zero and no data is available about any hoped for target dates for LMDE3.
For example, is it likely that LMDE3 might appear in the next 6 months?

If it turns out that an upgrade of LMDE2 is impossible, sue to systemd, I'm sure that a reinstall of LMDE3 would be acceptable.

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby killer de bug » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:16 pm

Clem gave some news a few days ago: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3340#comment-137188
Any news on the next LMDE?

Edit by Clem: No, not yet. We’ll start working on LMDE 3 slowly, but there is no hurry there. We’re probably looking at 2018 for the next version.


And the repo have just been created proving that the next version will exist.
Next year, when Ubuntu 18.04 will be released, it seems that Ubuntu and Debian stable will have the same GTK version, making it easier for Cinnamon. Hence the wait from my understanding.

Finally, it is always possible to go from one version of Debian to the next without reinstalling. I don't see why this time would be different.
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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby ajgreeny » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:47 pm

Just remember that as far as software packages are concerned, newer does not necessarily mean better and you may achieve a more stable OS by staying just a little bit behind the most recent versions of everything.

I have a VM of Debian 9 in virtualbox and that has had very few upgrades to packages since I installed it a few months ago so perhaps that is part of the reason why you see so few in LMDE-2, about which I admit I know very little.

f you really do want or need the latest packages in your OS try either or both of Antergos and Manjaro; they are both based on Arch so get largely unchanged packages as soon as they appear from the devs. I have Antergos also as a VM and it has so far been extremely good, and in spite of being an Arch derivative is as easy to maintain and install as any other OS I've tried, ie, not at all like Arch in that respect.

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby Neil Edmond » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:11 pm

axisofevil wrote:Is it the end for LMDE?
No...not at all. It looks to me like Clem and friends have plans for LMDE that extend years into the future.

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby ciaobello » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:30 pm

Neil Edmond wrote:
axisofevil wrote:Is it the end for LMDE?
No...not at all. It looks to me like Clem and friends have plans for LMDE that extend years into the future.


I'm just missing the information about LMDE a bit too, special on github. Someone who goes thru Github cant see that it is existing. And as Debian Stable always is a bit behind it gets really difficult to see how things will/do look like.

killer de bug wrote:And the repo have just been created proving that the next version will exist.


Hey ... wold be nice to know where this repo is ... can you link it?

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby dlindyds » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:45 am

Lets all just calm down. Debian Jesse is supported till 2020. LMDE2 is by their own admission not bleeding edge. Not all of us want a Debian based system that breaks all the time. I am using LMDE2 for my Mythtv box and it is stable and just works.

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby axisofevil » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:53 am

killer de bug wrote:Clem gave some news a few days ago: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3340#comment-137188
Any news on the next LMDE?

Edit by Clem: No, not yet. We’ll start working on LMDE 3 slowly, but there is no hurry there. We’re probably looking at 2018 for the next version.


And the repo have just been created proving that the next version will exist.
Next year, when Ubuntu 18.04 will be released, it seems that Ubuntu and Debian stable will have the same GTK version, making it easier for Cinnamon. Hence the wait from my understanding.

Finally, it is always possible to go from one version of Debian to the next without reinstalling. I don't see why this time would be different.


So is it reasonable to anticipate that the aim will be Mint in April 2018 and LMDE 3 shortly afterwards?
I can live with a wait for LMDE3 for maybe 9 months time.
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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby MintBean » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:10 pm

All we have is the statement Clem made. Anything beyond that is speculation or fantasy.

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby killer de bug » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:10 pm

axisofevil wrote:So is it reasonable to anticipate that the aim will be Mint in April 2018

For sure not. Ubuntu, the base, will only be released in April. How could Mint be released at the same time?
It will come when it will be ready. Around June or July, I guess, based on the past.
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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby MtnDewManiac » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:35 am

Personally, I'd much rather see a thing get released when it was ready than to see it get released when it was scheduled.

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Re: Is it the end for LMDE?

Postby Pepi » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:45 am

MtnDewManiac wrote:Personally, I'd much rather see a thing get released when it was ready than to see it get released when it was scheduled.

Regards,
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Amen


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