LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

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LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by Tw Free Thomas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:17 am

The information obtained according to https://www.kernel.org/
is as follows:
  Kernel 4.19 released October 22, 2018
  Kernel4.9 released on December 11, 2016
The difference between the two is nearly two years,
the old kernel can't make the new computer work.
The value of LMDE 3 will be greatly reduced.
Other Debian-based operating systems are also mostly
used with kernel 4.14 or higher.

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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by Fred Barclay » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:49 pm

Hi Tw Free Thomas,
You're right that 4.9 has been out for a while, but most distros (except Arch) don't support the latest kernels.

In particular, Debian Stretch, which is the base for LMDE 3, has committed to the 4.9 kernel and will stay on it until Stretch reaches it's end of life, approximately in 2022. That's because Stretch is the current Debian Stable release, and as such doesn't receive newer versions. It gives us older packages, but in return we get superb stability and security!

If you really need a newer kernel, you can install the 4.19 version from Stretch backports. If so, make sure you install either linux-image-amd64 for 64-bit systems, or linux-image-686 for 32-bit systems.

Some helpful links if you're curious about Debian Stable and using backports:
https://www.debian.org/releases/
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
https://backports.debian.org/
https://www.maketecheasier.com/install- ... re-debian/
http://wayoflinux.com/blog/debian-stable-on-desktop

Cheers!
Fred

EDIT: are you having any trouble in particular with running LMDE with the 4.9 kernel on a newer computer? We're here to help if so! :)
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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by Tw Free Thomas » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:26 am

Thank you for your help
The new computer can be installed with Linux Mint 19.1.
However, you cannot connect when installing LMDE 3.
The biggest difference between LMDE 3 and LM 19.1 is the Kernel version.
Please read the second line of TOPICS
[Solved] Can the LMDE 3 Kernel be upgraded to 4.15.0 for installation?

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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by zorzi » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:32 am

Is your ethernet connection working with LMDE3 ?

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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by Tw Free Thomas » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:01 am

Hi zorzi
I put the installation disc into the DVD player for installation,
and it has been installed for five years.
Please read the second line of TOPICS
[Solved] Can the LMDE 3 Kernel be upgraded to 4.15.0 for installation?

zorzi

Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by zorzi » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:13 pm

Ok, but this does not answer to my question: Is your ethernet connection working with LMDE3 ?

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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by Tw Free Thomas » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:09 pm

Hi zorzi

In [Solved] Can the LMDE 3 Kernel be upgraded to 4.15.0 for installation?
Inside a section

Remove the original HDD and SDD and replace it with the test HDD.
And attach the Logfile

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inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: freetw Kernel: 4.9.0-8-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 6.3.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.8.8 (Gtk 3.22.11-1) Distro: LMDE 3 (cindy)
Machine:   Device: desktop Mobo: Micro-Star model: B360M MORTAR TITANIUM (MS-7B23) v: 2.0
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: A.30 date: 07/18/2018
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i3-8100 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 28800
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 2742 MHz 2: 799 MHz 3: 2824 MHz
           4: 810 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GP108 bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: vesa,nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev)
           Resolution: 1024x768@61.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA Device 0fb8 driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Card-2 Intel Device a348 driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1f.3
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.0-8-amd64
Network:   Card: Intel Device 15bc bus-ID: 00:1f.6
           IF: N/A state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 280.9GB (13.5% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST3250620AS size: 249.9GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: FLASH_DRIVE size: 31.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 77G used: 4.5G (7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-2: /boot size: 1.9G used: 57M (4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-3: /home size: 142G used: 4.0G (3%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
           ID-4: swap-1 size: 8.39GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 27.8C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 193 Uptime: 6 min Memory: 841.6/7926.7MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 6.3.0

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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by MrEen » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:03 pm

Hrmmm. Obviously that's a no. You're also running in Software rendering mode:

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GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits)
I almost said to use Fred's advise on Stretch backports but what good is that when you can't download anything?

I think you're going to need to download the proper kernel to a USB stick from a working machine. Then run LMDE and install the kernel from the USB stick. I am NOT the person that can help with that, and there may be better ways to fix this that I can't think of. And that even assumes your USB ports are working in LMDE.

I'm sorry you're having all this difficulty Tw Free Thomas. Hopefully someone has some good advice for you soon!

P.S. Did you check the integrity of the installation medium? Maybe you had a bad copy, and retrying with a fresh copy of the ISO will make a difference?

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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by Fred Barclay » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:43 pm

MrEen wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:03 pm

I think you're going to need to download the proper kernel to a USB stick from a working machine. Then run LMDE and install the kernel from the USB stick. I am NOT the person that can help with that, and there may be better ways to fix this that I can't think of. And that even assumes your USB ports are working in LMDE.
This would be the best way I can think of.

Go to https://packages.debian.org/stretch-bac ... 4/download on a computer with internet access and choose any of the download links. I suggest one on your continent so it shouldn't take as long to download. Save the file to your usb stick.

Boot into LMDE 3, open Nemo (your file manage) and go to where you saved the kernel download (it should have a long name, something like linux-image-amd64_4.19+101~bpo9+1_amd64.deb). If you double-left-click it, you should launch GDebi. Follow the prompts to install, then reboot.

Just after your computer has started, you should see the GRUB menu. Look for an option to boot with the 4.19 kernel. If you don't see that, you'll probably see something like "Linux Mint Debian Edition Advanced Options" or something along those lines. Use your arrow key to go to that, hit "Enter", and you'll be taken to a new menu. From there, choose the option to boot LMDE with the 4.19 kernel.

BUT FIRST I would recommend trying this:
I got hit with a bug where I could see my wifi network, but Network Manager just would never completely connect to it. If that's what you're seeing, you may have the same bug I did.
Run gksudo xed /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
Now add this to the bottom of the file:

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[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no
Once you've done this, the file should look like this:

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[main]
plugins=ifupdown,keyfile

[ifupdown]
managed=false

[device]
wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no
Save and reboot.

Source: https://blog.sombex.com/2017/12/fix-can ... linux.html

If that works, you won't have to install the backports kernel. If not... hopefully backports kernel will work for you.

Cheers!
Fred
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Re: LMDE 3 needs to upgrade the kernel to 4.14 or higher

Post by Tw Free Thomas » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:12 am

Thank you for your proposal.
The kernel is sandwiched between (Applications) and (CPU. Memory. Devices).
To be promoted to 4.14 must be very professional like Clem,
It is best to launch the LMDE3 (kernel 4.14) beta,
and everyone will test the results of each report.

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