<SOLVED> PC freezes randomly with LMDE5

[headroom010]

Hi everybody,

my PC freezes randomly with the new installed LMDE5.
With LMDE4 i didn't had that problem.

I can often work with the PC for a while as long as I don't start too many programs or watch videos.
But it doesn't seems to be an memory-issue. There is enough free memory and i checked the memory with a memory-test-program from an Gparted-Live-CD.
The programs i start can be a terminal or a text-editor. The PC then freezes in the moment of the launch.

When it freezes i can sometimes, when i am fast enough, restart with

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[alt]+[print]+[s]+[u]+[b]

Here is my system information

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inxi -Fxxxrz
System:
  Kernel: 5.10.0-19-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
  Desktop: Cinnamon 5.4.12 tk: GTK 3.24.24 wm: Mutter dm: LightDM 1.26.0 
  Distro: LMDE 5 Elsie base: Debian 11.2 bullseye 
Machine:
  Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: 770 Extreme3 serial: <filter> 
  BIOS: American Megatrends v: P1.80 date: 10/18/2010 
CPU:
  Info: Triple Core model: AMD Athlon II X3 450 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: K10 
  rev: 3 L2 cache: 1.5 MiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm bogomips: 19237 
  Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/3200 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 800 2: 800 
  3: 800 
Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: CardExpert driver: nouveau 
  v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0a65 class ID: 0300 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: modesetting 
  unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz s-dpi: 96 
  OpenGL: renderer: NVA8 v: 3.3 Mesa 20.3.5 direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: AMD SBx00 Azalia vendor: ASRock driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
  bus ID: 00:14.2 chip ID: 1002:4383 class ID: 0403 
  Device-2: NVIDIA High Definition Audio vendor: CardExpert 
  driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 chip ID: 10de:0be3 
  class ID: 0403 
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.0-19-amd64 
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter 
  vendor: Compex FN22-3 LinxPRO driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 port: e800 
  bus ID: 03:06.0 chip ID: 10ec:8139 class ID: 0200 
  IF: enp3s6 state: down mac: <filter> 
  Device-2: TP-Link TL-WN823N v2/v3 [Realtek RTL8192EU] type: USB 
  driver: rtl8192eu bus ID: 1-4:2 chip ID: 2357:0109 class ID: 0000 
  serial: <filter> 
  IF: wlx7c8bca1d12eb state: up mac: <filter> 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.49 TiB used: 860.18 GiB (56.2%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Crucial model: CT480BX500SSD1 size: 447.13 GiB 
  speed: 3.0 Gb/s rotation: SSD serial: <filter> rev: R022 scheme: MBR 
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Samsung model: HD103SJ size: 931.51 GiB 
  speed: 3.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> rev: 0001 scheme: MBR 
  ID-3: /dev/sdc vendor: ExcelStor model: J680 size: 76.69 GiB 
  speed: <unknown> serial: <filter> rev: A60A scheme: MBR 
  ID-4: /dev/sdd vendor: Seagate model: ST380021A size: 74.53 GiB 
  speed: <unknown> serial: <filter> rev: 3.19 scheme: MBR 
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 24.44 GiB used: 8.6 GiB (35.2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
  ID-2: /home size: 406.36 GiB used: 89.43 GiB (22.0%) fs: ext4 
  dev: /dev/sda3 
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 8.2 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 
  dev: /dev/sda1 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 31.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 53.0 C 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:
  Packages: apt: 2087 
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list 
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list 
  1: deb http://linux-mint.froonix.org elsie main upstream import backport
  2: deb http://mirrors.xtom.de/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
  3: deb http://mirrors.xtom.de/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
  4: deb http://security.debian.org/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free
  5: deb http://mirrors.xtom.de/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list 
  1: deb [arch=amd64] https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
Info:
  Processes: 245 Uptime: 37m wakeups: 0 Memory: 7.77 GiB 
  used: 2.01 GiB (25.8%) Init: systemd v: 247 runlevel: 5 Compilers: 
  gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 running in: gnome-terminal 
  inxi: 3.3.01 

I have already researched a lot in this forum and found the tip in this post
viewtopic.php?p=2175072#p2175072
to issue the following command after the freeze and reboot

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journalctl -rb -1 | nc termbin.com 9999

Here is the url that the command has given back:
https://termbin.com/azkq

[MiZoG]

driver: nouveau

Nouveau is problematic. And nvidia proprietary legacy 340 drives are not available for 5.10 and newer kernels cause nvidia dropped their support.
There is a workaround on Debian systems which involves installing a 340 driver package from sid repos. It's not a very good idea and half the time it does not work.

Install main-branch Mint 20.3 supported till 2025 which includes legacy 340 drivers.
Or Mint 21 and use this PPA at your own risk.

[SMG]

my PC freezes randomly with the new installed LMDE5.
With LMDE4 i didn't had that problem.

Welcome to the forum, headroom010.

I reviewed the log and I do not see any messages of problems near the end. It appears power was removed from the computer to stop it.

The only two items I noticed in the log was an error message related to hibernation which likely means it is not working properly

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Nov 01 17:24:45 kernel: PM: Image not found (code -22)

and there seem to be problems with one of the drives you attach to the computer. The below is a sample of the messages related to it.

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Nov 01 17:34:47  kernel: FAT-fs (sde1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
Nov 01 17:34:47  udisksd[785]: Mounted /dev/sde1 at /media/internet/TREKSTOR on behalf of uid 1002

I can often work with the PC for a while as long as I don't start too many programs or watch videos.

Your GPU is not overheating, is it? I did notice the GPU temp is quite a bit higher than the CPU temp.

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Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 31.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 53.0 C 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 

If this is the correct page ASRock 770 Extreme3: BIOS, it appears the last BIOS, version 1.90, was for "Modify install AMD OverDrive utility, resume from S3, system hang issue."

Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: ASRock model: 770 Extreme3 serial: <filter>
BIOS: American Megatrends v: P1.80 date: 10/18/2010

I do not know if their terminology for a hang might be what you are experiencing when you say the system freezes. I also do not know if all three items are related. Resuming from S3 is resuming from suspend/sleep.

[headroom010]

driver: nouveau

Nouveau is problematic.
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Thanks for the suggestion, MiZoG.
However, I had no problems with Nouveau on LMDE4. So why now?
Because of the new Kernel?

[headroom010]

my PC freezes randomly with the new installed LMDE5.
With LMDE4 i didn't had that problem.

Welcome to the forum, headroom010.

Thank you very much, SMG. Nice to be here.

I reviewed the log and I do not see any messages of problems near the end. It appears power was removed from the computer to stop it.

Yes, if I can't restart the computer quickly via SUB, it hangs completely. I had to restart it via reset.

The only two items I noticed in the log was an error message related to hibernation which likely means it is not working properly

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Nov 01 17:24:45 kernel: PM: Image not found (code -22)

Yes, suspend is not working. When I wake up the computer, I get a colorfully troubled screen.
It looks something like when I play videos with the celluloid video player. That doesn't work yet, although I installed the non-free codec package.
However, I can easily open, cut and play the same videos with the Avidemux per appImage.
I can also watch videos in the browser, but here the computer can sometimes freeze.

and there seem to be problems with one of the drives you attach to the computer. The below is a sample of the messages related to it.

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Nov 01 17:34:47  kernel: FAT-fs (sde1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
Nov 01 17:34:47  udisksd[785]: Mounted /dev/sde1 at /media/internet/TREKSTOR on behalf of uid 1002

This is a USB stick that was connected when the computer froze.

Your GPU is not overheating, is it?

No, I don't think so. But I'll keep an eye on them and take a look at the gpu fan.

If this is the correct page ASRock 770 Extreme3: BIOS, it appears the last BIOS, version 1.90, was for "Modify install AMD OverDrive utility, resume from S3, system hang issue."
...
I do not know if their terminology for a hang might be what you are experiencing when you say the system freezes. I also do not know if all three items are related. Resuming from S3 is resuming from suspend/sleep.

I find that very interesting. As I said, the suspend is not working properly.
Maybe I should try it out first. I will report.

But I just started the computer, registered, started KeePass and the browser and the computer is frozen.
How does that fit gpu or suspend problems now?

[SMG]

The only two items I noticed in the log was an error message related to hibernation which likely means it is not working properly

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Nov 01 17:24:45 kernel: PM: Image not found (code -22)

Yes, suspend is not working. When I wake up the computer, I get a colorfully troubled screen.

That message happens when you hibernate the computer. It means the computer can not properly save the image of everything on which you have been working. If it can not save it properly, then, of course, it can not resume properly.

This message is not related to video. If I recall correctly, it means your swap space (where the image is saved) is not set up correctly.

[headroom010]

I did some research and came to the conclusion that it is more likely to be the old graphics card, as MiZoG said.
I then tried to install the Nvidia driver as described in this guide.
https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/ ... idia-guide
Unfortunately without success. It stops with an error when building a kernel-module with dkms.
Than I tried to install the patched Nvidia driver as described here.
https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/ ... a-patcher/
It can be installed without an error message, but the system then no longer starts a graphical user interface.
So far I have not been able to find out why.

[headroom010]

This message is not related to video. If I recall correctly, it means your swap space (where the image is saved) is not set up correctly.

If I look into the resources in system monitoring, 8GiB swap are connected there.
It can still be set up incorrectly?

[SMG]

This message is not related to video. If I recall correctly, it means your swap space (where the image is saved) is not set up correctly.

If I look into the resources in system monitoring, 8GiB swap are connected there.
It can still be set up incorrectly?

In order to use the swap space for hibernation, the information telling the system to use swap must be set up properly in the grub file for the system to be able to save the hibernation information to the swap file and then for the system to be able to get the hibernation information out of the swap file when your system comes out of hibernation.

If you read How to enable hibernation with swap partition on Linux Mint 19, you will see under 1b it describes setting up resume with the UUID of your swap partition. From what I have found in the past, the error message you are getting relates to some type of problem with that resume variable information.

[headroom010]

I managed to find an old AMD graphics card that has similar values to my old Nvidia.
And lo and behold, the problem with freezing has been solved.