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LMDE with XFCE?

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I'm investigating options for giving older computers a second (or third) life through different lightweight Linux distributions. Given that Linux Mint is one of the most used distributions, I would like to test a Linux Mint "Lite" (like e.g. Zorin Lite).

The current version with XFCE does not support 32 bit, and LMDE 5, which does support 32 bit, does not have an XFCE version. Are there plans for a version of LMDE 5 with XFCE? As an option, are there any step by step instructions available on how to convert LMDE 5 Cinnamon to XFCE to make it appear as similar to Linux Mint XFCE as possible?
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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You should try a distro that supports 32 bit like PeppermintOS, antiX, MXLInux, etc.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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manyroads wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:54 pm
You should try a distro that supports 32 bit like PeppermintOS, antiX, MXLInux, etc.
I have already tried a number of different distributions that support 32 bit, but I would also like to try a Linux Mint "Lite" version.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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There's LMDE5 with LXDE or MATE instead of Cinnamon available from the German user community. It can be changed to english during install if necessary

LXDE - https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxm ... ial/lmde5/
MATE - https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxm ... /lmde%205/
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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antikythera wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:12 pm
There's LMDE5 with LXDE or MATE instead of Cinnamon available from the German user community. It can be changed to english during install if necessary
Those are interesting options. Would I be right in assuming that LXDE would be the most lightweight of the two?

My preffered choice would still be XFCE, since that would put me as close to the Linux Mint XFCE edition as possible and thus make it possible to take advantage of all the documentation available for that release.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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Generally a window manager is lightest... but no matter what you choose if you add functionality to a setup the additional functionality will increase the desktop's footprint size.

FWIW I run i3wm, dwm, and openbox on Mint. They work well.

However, be advised that if you are trying to run any 64-bit OS on a 32-bit machine you will not be happy with the results see: https://superuser.com/questions/1201295 ... -32-bit-pc.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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manyroads wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:40 am
Generally a window manager is lightest...
A window manager would of course be the lightest option, antiX is a good example of a distribution that is indeed very lightweight.

My main purpose of investigating options for giving older computers a second (or third) life through different lightweight Linux distributions is to hand them over to people who otherwise could not afford one. Since most of these are unfamiliar with Linux, I want the distributions I choose to be as well documented as possible, and also as "Windows user friendly" as possible. Hence my desire to use XFCE since there's already a Linux Mint XFCE.
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Xfce4 works on 32-bit PeppermintOS, antiX, MX etc.

PepeprmintOS 11 (Debian or Devuan) offers a standard xfce highly customized 32-bit build): https://peppermintos.com/guide/downloading/
MXLinux (offers xfce and fluxbox as complete 32-bit builds): https://mxlinux.org/download-links/
antiX-21 (offers IceWM, jwm, as a standard build) : https://antixlinux.com/download/

Any of the above are Debian/Devuan base and lightweight. Also both Debian and Devuan are available as 32-bit and also offer xfce, lmde, lxqt, iceWM etc as standard available desktops or window managers.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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manyroads wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:17 pm
Xfce4 works on 32-bit PeppermintOS, antiX, MX etc.
I'm aware that there are other distributions that offer a range of different desktop environments, window managers, etc. In this particular case though, for reasons stated above, I'm particularily interested in if there is an XFCE version of LMDE 5 available, or if not, if there are any plans to develop such a version, or some other variety of Linux Mint "Lite", or as an alternativ a step by step instruction on how to change LMDE 5 Cinnamon to XFCE.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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manyroads wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:54 pm
You should try a distro that supports 32 bit like PeppermintOS, antiX, MXLInux, etc.
LMDE5 comes in both 32bit and 64bit versions which is why the OP mentioned LMDE5.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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Kjellinux wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:14 am
antikythera wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:12 pm
There's LMDE5 with LXDE or MATE instead of Cinnamon available from the German user community. It can be changed to english during install if necessary
Those are interesting options. Would I be right in assuming that LXDE would be the most lightweight of the two?

My preffered choice would still be XFCE, since that would put me as close to the Linux Mint XFCE edition as possible and thus make it possible to take advantage of all the documentation available for that release.
MATE is an official Linux Mint flavour for the normal edition so the documentation should be 95% applicable, it's about the same for resource usage as XFCE. LXDE is indeed less resource intensive and essentially windows 95 for Linux if that makes sense. the other 5% of course relates to differences in the debian base compared to ubuntu. Day to day there's no real difference in regular usage, it's just things like the lack of Driver Manager to hold your hand if you need to install proprietary drivers.

XFCE isn't available as an ISO but there's a topic in the LMDE section of the forum where someone has detailed their own experience and steps to convert LMDE5 Cinnamon to XFCE. Personally I'd opt for MATE instead. The reason the Linux Mint developers don't spin any other ISO than CInnamon is that it's not actually a supported release as such. It's a 'reserve' project kept up to date with Mint and Cinnamon packages in case there's a need to switch away from Ubuntu as a base at some point. Occasionally it is also used to try out new features like the new Upgrade Manager for example.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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antikythera wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:03 pm

XFCE isn't available as an ISO but there's a topic in the LMDE section of the forum where someone has detailed their own experience and steps to convert LMDE5 Cinnamon to XFCE.
@antikythera Thank you for a very good answer! I couldn't find the topic you mentioned. Would you by any chance have a link?

Given the information I have received, I guess I need to try all three, MATE, XFCE and LMDE, to find out which one suits my purposes the best.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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I found a YouTube vido on the topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XW6YQ_uAI
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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I have tried out the LXDE version from the German user community. It worked well and as expected was quite lightweight. Idle RAM usage was just under 300 MB.
Now I'm trying to create LMDE 5 XFCE. The work so far have raised som questions:

Some have used the terminal and the command:

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sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop -y
Others have used Synaptic and installed the xfce4 package.

What's the difference, if any?
What does the -y do?
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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-y = yes to all prompts including yes or no answers regarding altering packages and settings.

it's actually risky to use so actually not normally recommended. review each prompt that wants an answer and if unsure ask on here
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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antikythera wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:36 pm
-y = yes to all prompts
Sunds dangerous. Not for me.
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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Kjellinux wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:02 pm
antikythera wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:36 pm
-y = yes to all prompts
Sunds dangerous. Not for me.
agreed, the rest of the command is fine but don't use the switch
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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Remains the question if there's a difference between installing XFCE with a terminal command:

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sudo apt install task-xfce-desktop
or installing the xfce4 package in Synaptic?
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Re: LMDE with XFCE?

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This will install the super-ugly vanilla XFCE, no?
If we'd ever had XFCE on LMDE, it should have been the meta-mint-whatever version of it.
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