Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

Post by ctsdownloads »

Sorry if this has been posted already, but the latest V8 moment for Ubuntu users - SATA drives and lockups?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... bug/204996

I am claiming it to be SATA based on the consistent specs that appear to be suffering I/O problems.

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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I thought Hardy would solve my hardware problems (particularly in the sound department), but no, I didn't even have a GUI to continue my installation or look at the Live CD, just a command line/terminal interface. I've read that Linux can support older computers, but this is just... wrong.

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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By the time Ubuntu fixes all the bugs the LTS will run out.
Now I see why Clem does not have time for the forum.
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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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BAD wrote:By the time Ubuntu fixes all the bugs the LTS will run out.
Now I see why Clem does not have time for the forum.
Exactly :) :)
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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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Here is what Ubuntu Hardy user's have to look forward to when they shut down or restart.



This is the screenfull of errors and it does occur in the final release.

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_signal_handler(): Caught signal 15. shutting down

Network Manager: <info> caught termination signal

Network Manager: <debug> [1209069304,808145] nm_print__open socks(): Open sockets
List:

Network Manager: <debug> [1209069304,808366] nm_print_open_socks(): Open sockets
List Done.

Network Manager: <info> Deactvativing device eth0

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed connection is
Closed

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_dbus_init(): nm_dbus_init() could not get the system
bus. Make sure the messagebus daemon is running!

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_dbus_signal_device_status_change: asserion `cb_data->data->d
bus_connect xxxx failed


This bug was not fixed and is present in the final release. I have seen this on three different machines. There is no fix once it occurs and this screen full of errors is there every single time the pc is shut down or restarted. One of the Ubuntu developer's said that the bug was just cosmetic! Would you want to see this on your screen? Is this how an enterprise system should be? Would you consider an operating system that has these kinds of bugs for your corporate desktops? What would the reviewers say if Microsoft released a product with this bug?

It is unbelievable that Dell would put this on their hardware. I hope Clem can overcome the latest batch of bugs presented by the Ubuntu Developer's.

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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for what it is worth, I will most likely stay a long time with Daryna. She will keep my bed warm on a cold winter night, so to speak.

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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exploder wrote:Here is what Ubuntu Hardy user's have to look forward to when they shut down or restart.



This is the screenfull of errors and it does occur in the final release.

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_signal_handler(): Caught signal 15. shutting down

Network Manager: <info> caught termination signal

Network Manager: <debug> [1209069304,808145] nm_print__open socks(): Open sockets
List:

Network Manager: <debug> [1209069304,808366] nm_print_open_socks(): Open sockets
List Done.

Network Manager: <info> Deactvativing device eth0

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_hal_deinit(): libhal shutdown failed connection is
Closed

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_dbus_init(): nm_dbus_init() could not get the system
bus. Make sure the messagebus daemon is running!

Network Manager: <WARN> nm_dbus_signal_device_status_change: asserion `cb_data->data->d
bus_connect xxxx failed


This bug was not fixed and is present in the final release. I have seen this on three different machines. There is no fix once it occurs and this screen full of errors is there every single time the pc is shut down or restarted. One of the Ubuntu developer's said that the bug was just cosmetic! Would you want to see this on your screen? Is this how an enterprise system should be? Would you consider an operating system that has these kinds of bugs for your corporate desktops? What would the reviewers say if Microsoft released a product with this bug?

It is unbelievable that Dell would put this on their hardware. I hope Clem can overcome the latest batch of bugs presented by the Ubuntu Developer's.
I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEEEMMMM WHEN I TRY TO RESTART OR SHUTDOWN
CAN ANYBODY HELP ME?¿?

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

Post by Husse »

The "Recovery mode without password" thing has been there all the time
If someone has physical access to your computer you have NO security unless you encrypt the entire disk
I'll copy all the information from all and any device in notime (well the time it takes to copy of course)
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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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Husse wrote:If someone has physical access to your computer you have NO security unless you encrypt the entire disk
I'll copy all the information from all and any device in notime (well the time it takes to copy of course)
Let me mention just a comment from a website:
"There is a security problem, but to acknowledge this you have to use real brains.

Debian is known for having a default configuration that makes you type in the root password before going into single-user mode. That was valid (I guess) for Woody, Sarge, Etch."
"Not entirely. If you're alone in a garage, you can even steal the whole PC! On the contrary, if you're in a business environment where your colleague is just missing for 5 minutes, you can do a lot of harm if there is no password for the single-user level, but you can't do very much if there is such a password, and if the system has the user account locked (screensaver with password), the booting from USB and CD/DVD disabled, and no floppy.

You need more brains to understand that there are several degrees of physical access to the machine."
Sorry if certain sentences are a little "aggressive"... :wink:
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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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linuxviolin,

I have to stand up for Husse on this one. If I have access to your computer, I don't care which distro you use, I can cause an abort on boot and drop to a root shell. There are at least half a dozen simple ways to do this. They all don't work on every distro but at least one will work on every distro I have ever tried them on.

If you are working in an environment that is subject to this kind of silliness then remove the cd and floppy drives. Disable the usb ports, E-SATA ports, Firewire ports, and any card readers that might be attached, and set a Grub password.

This will require an intruder to open the case to get to anything. It will at least buy you an extra 5 minutes. :-)

And no. I am not going to turn this forum into a how-to-hack-into-a-computer class. So don't ask. :-)

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

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We are talking here about single-user mode.

Fred, yes we can do damage on a computer but without a root password it's really very easy! It's a bit like if I close the door of my house but leaves the window open... :roll:
Fred wrote:If you are working in an environment that is subject to this kind of silliness then remove the cd and floppy drives. Disable the usb ports, E-SATA ports, Firewire ports, and any card readers that might be attached, and set a Grub password.

This will require an intruder to open the case to get to anything. It will at least buy you an extra 5 minutes.
this is roughly what I said :D

I maintain that going into single-user mode without root password is an error...

Fred wrote:And no. I am not going to turn this forum into a how-to-hack-into-a-computer class. So don't ask. :-)
Fortunately! :lol:
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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

Post by Fred »

linuxviolin,

If I came across as a bit harsh, I didn't mean to. It's just that there are so many simple ways of gaining access to a computer when you have physical access that have been around for years. I have a hard time getting excited about one more hole in the boat so-to-speak. :-)

I guess I am a little bit insulted when I read about some special locking software, or biometric gizmo that purports to lock my laptop and make it safe from intruders. And for the bargain price of only an arm and a leg! lol

Enjoy life, it's too short to do otherwise. :-)

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Re: Is Hardy Heron a bit too buggy?

Post by xvedejas »

I think we know the answer to the question posed by this thread now - no. It's not too buggy for mint to use its innovations, and we have the Elyssa Beta to prove it.

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