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New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by phil995511 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:51 am

Hello,

I hope you will make available a new kernel with Mint 17.2 for compatibility with new hardware devices...

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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by xenopeek » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:44 am

Linux Mint 17 came with a newer kernel than Ubuntu 14.04. Linux Mint 17.1 came with a newer kernel than 17. I foresee 17.2 will come with a newer kernel just the same.
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by Pjotr » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:49 am

xenopeek wrote:Linux Mint 17 came with a newer kernel than Ubuntu 14.04. Linux Mint 17.1 came with a newer kernel than 17. I foresee 17.2 will come with a newer kernel just the same.
Undoubtedly, but will the default kernel be a 3.13.x kernel (like in Mint 17 and in Mint 17.1) or a 3.16.x kernel? That's still unclear to me. I hope for the 3.16.x, because otherwise support for very new hardware will become a problem....
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by xenopeek » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:57 am

A lot of stuff is backported to 3.13 kernel series. Ubuntu kernel version numbers don't align with upstream kernel versions BTW. In any case, 3.13 has 5 years of support from Ubuntu kernel team with the others don't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnabl ... el_Support
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by Pjotr » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:11 am

xenopeek wrote:A lot of stuff is backported to 3.13 kernel series. Ubuntu kernel version numbers don't align with upstream kernel versions BTW. In any case, 3.13 has 5 years of support from Ubuntu kernel team with the others don't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnabl ... el_Support
Yes, that's what might induce the Mint devs to continue with the 3.13.x kernel. But upstream backporting to the 3.13.x. for new hardware is limited, because the higher kernels of the Ubuntu LTS point releases (starting with the second Ubuntu point release) are (as you know of course) Hardware Enablement Stacks:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack

In other words, the purpose of those "kernel jumps" from the second point release onward, is specifically to enable the use of Ubuntu LTS on very new hardware. It would be a pity if Mint wouldn't do the same, because otherwise some very modern hardware will be unfit for Mint. Even now I already see some problems on this forum because of very new hardware in combination with the 3.13.x kernel...

Maybe this is something you or I could ask Clem?
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by xenopeek » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:22 am

Sounds like you have a better grasp on it :)
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by xenopeek » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:07 pm

Clem just announced 17.2 name on the blog, and answered they will probably go with 3.16 kernel: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2802#comment-115988
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by Pjotr » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:42 pm

xenopeek wrote:Clem just announced 17.2 name on the blog, and answered they will probably go with 3.16 kernel: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2802#comment-115988
That's excellent news. We really need the 3.16.x kernel as default in 17.2, for hardware enablement. :)
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by cmost » Sun May 17, 2015 1:30 pm

You can use the liquorix kernel which is updated frequently. I'm using it now and it's at version 4.0-2. Plus it speeds up the system. :D
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by johnniedoo » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:10 pm

i just did the synaptic pkg mgr update method to 17.2 Mate, just showed up in the menu pull down today-so, i tried it only one quasi legit reason to change and it is the audio pulse, alsa etc changes one more thing but could have done without .
i had manually upgraded the kernel to 4.0.5 a few weeks ago. and did not go back to the recommended 3.18 or whichever it is today. will be checking out how this functions as i go. I did get a successful reboot after doing the pkg manager changes. now have other level 1 updates to check out.
then, try to get my proprietary AMD driver upgrade to 15.200 which did not successfully work out after i switched to kernel 4.0.0 and i had to spend time , lots of time to get the xserver amd drivers to install and work properly. but , only 10months into my total linux (all mint) experience,so one thing at a time , this time.

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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by Pjotr » Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:15 am

johnniedoo wrote:i just did the synaptic pkg mgr update method to 17.2 Mate, just showed up in the menu pull down today-so, i tried it only one quasi legit reason to change and it is the audio pulse, alsa etc changes one more thing but could have done without .
i had manually upgraded the kernel to 4.0.5 a few weeks ago. and did not go back to the recommended 3.18 or whichever it is today. will be checking out how this functions as i go. I did get a successful reboot after doing the pkg manager changes. now have other level 1 updates to check out.
then, try to get my proprietary AMD driver upgrade to 15.200 which did not successfully work out after i switched to kernel 4.0.0 and i had to spend time , lots of time to get the xserver amd drivers to install and work properly. but , only 10months into my total linux (all mint) experience,so one thing at a time , this time.
Why did you install those unsupported 4.x kernels at all?
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by cmost » Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:27 pm

Pjotr wrote:Why did you install those unsupported 4.x kernels at all?
If you're an experienced user and know to upgrade your GCC, et al then there are a lot of benefits to running newer kernels. I've been using the Liquorix kernels for ages now and never have any issues with them. In fact, my system is snappier than ever. Don't knock it until you try it. :D
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by johnniedoo » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:57 pm

why i installed them is my business, this kind of reply is not really helpful nor germane. why did i opt to use Linux at all?
because i wanted to-
i had lots of older parts (over 2yrs old) that i thought were still viable though not as fast as i liked with the bloated up Win7 x64 ultimate and pro boxes i have.
I am willing to experiment with these parts i turned into a full build, with as much new and interesting about Linux (Mint Mate 17.2 in this case) because it is there, others do it,so i can learn
i am almost 70yrs old(68) and cant work on my motorcycle or cars ,so i play with MInt , mate is my choice and i have no reason at all for why i picked Mate, because cinnamon is good on pudding?
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Oh, by the way, i can attest to the fact that Kernel 4.0.5 is very good and fast with everything i have gotten around to playing with (to answer some of my own post). I have not bothered to try going back to the recommended option yet-will soon, it is installed. MY Me-TV plays the PCTV pinnacle hd usb pro stick better in this Mint17.2 than it did in windows7.1 with the "official" pinnacle released driver/software. and it plays well there, too, just better s/n ratio with same antenna.

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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by Pjotr » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:46 am

johnniedoo wrote:why i installed them is my business, this kind of reply is not really helpful nor germane.
Oh yes it is. Very much so.

We on this forum need to know whether you're simply a wild experimenter (which you appear to be, and which is OK of course, may you live happily ever after) or some serious case of PEBKAC (just google that term) who's turning his system into a hopeless mess without actually *wanting* to create that mess.

The former I won't help (because that's useless: a wild experimenter isn't aiming to simply achieve a stable reliable system) and the latter I will try to help.
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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by cecilieaux » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:52 am

Pjotr wrote:
xenopeek wrote:Clem just announced 17.2 name on the blog, and answered they will probably go with 3.16 kernel: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2802#comment-115988
That's excellent news. We really need the 3.16.x kernel as default in 17.2, for hardware enablement. :)
I realize this is an old thread, but can anyone tell me:

1) what THE recommended kernel is (I seem to be running 3.13-0.24 (3.13.9) according to Update)

2) where this information is usually posted (so I don't have to go searching next time and don bother the good folks here)

BTW, Pyotr, thanks for those lists of essential things to do after installing 17.2, which went without a hitch and make Mint boot much faster.

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Re: New kernel on Mint 17.2 ?

Post by Pjotr » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:57 am

cecilieaux wrote:I realize this is an old thread, but can anyone tell me:

1) what THE recommended kernel is (I seem to be running 3.13-0.24 (3.13.9) according to Update)
Although the default kernel for 17.2 is 3.16.0-38, there's no need for you to install that newer kernel if all works well on your computer. If it isn't broken, don't fix it....
BTW, Pyotr, thanks for those lists of essential things to do after installing 17.2, which went without a hitch and make Mint boot much faster.
You're welcome. :)
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