[suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

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[suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by rado84 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:25 pm

Here's another suggestion from me: replace Xed with Gedit in the default installation of Mint. Xed is too basic, incapable of anything. Can't read properly the encoding of a simple txt file, while Gedit doesn't need any settings regarding that.
Frankly, I don't understand why would you make a XFCE text editor to be the default text editor in a Gnome based environment such as Cinnamon.
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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by Flemur » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:44 pm

rado84 wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:25 pm
Here's another suggestion from me: replace Xed with Gedit in the default installation of Mint. Xed is too basic, incapable of anything. Can't read properly the encoding of a simple txt file, while Gedit doesn't need any settings regarding that.
Frankly, I don't understand why would you make a XFCE text editor to be the default text editor in a Gnome based environment such as Cinnamon.
It's pretty easy to install gedit and make it the default. BTW, "xed" = either XML EDitor, or "X" (windows), not Xfce.
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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by altair4 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:50 pm

As I recall Xed is a fork of Pluma which is a fork of Gedit2 so it already is using gedit.
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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by karlchen » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:55 pm

Hi, rado84.

Let me start by correcting a misunderstanding. The editor xed is not a fork of any xfce editor, but it is based on the Mate editor pluma.

Starting with Mint Mint 18, a project named X-Apps has been introduced. The aim is to have the same set of basic applications on all Linux Mint desktop environments, Cinnamon, Mate and xfce.
xed is part of these X-Apps. You may learn which applications are part of the X-Apps e.g. here: Linux Mint 18 - What's new Go down to the section titled X-Apps.
If you read the "What's new" articles on each Linux Mint release, starting with Mint 18, you will find out that the X-Apps are being maintined and amended step by step.

Personally, the existence of the X-Apps project suggests to me that it is unlikely that gedit will return to Linux Mint as its default editor.

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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by rado84 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:02 pm

Flemur wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:44 pm
It's pretty easy to install gedit
I thought so too. Opened Synaptic and typed gedit. When I tried to install it, I got a message similar to "the package doesn't exist", despite it was in the list of found items, so I had to Google for it and install it manually. Besides, installing software (even one that Synaptic says it doesn't exist) isn't hard for me but for the newbies coming from Microsoft's braingrinder (known as Windows 10), it is hard. Especially if they have to install it from a tarball archive. If I'm not mistaken, one of the main goals of Linux devs is to make Linux as user friendly as possible. And a text editor that can read only UTF-8 and no other encoding table isn't user friendly at all (that's my personal opinion). :roll:

Edit: OK, I may have been wrong about it being a XFCE thingy but it doesn't change the fact Xed is a seriously crippled thing. I thought it was meant for the XFCE env because the most of the programs names contain the letter of the DE they're meant for - K3b is for KDE, XFBurn is for XFCE, GEdit is for Gnome and so on. I hope you understand now why I thought Xed was made for XFCE.
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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by Flemur » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:37 pm

rado84 wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:02 pm
Opened Synaptic and typed gedit. When I tried to install it, I got a message similar to "the package doesn't exist", despite it was in the list of found items, so I had to Google for it and install it manually.
With the "real" search (not "quick search", which I've found to be buggy), I don't get any sort of error message from synaptic when I search for a non-existent package, just an empty list.

What happened when you rt-clicked on the gedit listed in synaptic and selected "Mark for installation" and then hit "Apply"?
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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by rado84 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:46 pm

Flemur wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:37 pm
What happened when you rt-clicked on the gedit listed in synaptic and selected "Mark for installation" and then hit "Apply"?
This happens normally as it should but when I click "apply" in order to install it, that message reading "the package doesn't exist" appears.
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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by karlchen » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:19 am

Leaving side aspects behind and coming back to the core of this thread:
Suggestion:
[suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit
Likelihood that this is going to happen:
karlchen wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:55 pm
Personally, the existence of the X-Apps project suggests to me that it is unlikely that gedit will return to Linux Mint as its default editor.
Of course, I cannot read the Mint developers' minds and I cannot foretell their future decisions. But X-Apps, including xed, have been introduced by Mint 18 only, very likely not with the intention of abandoning them anytime soon.
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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by MintBean » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:42 am

From looking at both apps, I disagree that Xed is 'too basic.'
What is it missing?
If you have a file that Gedit can read but Xed can't, that's worth raising as a bug report for Xed.

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Re: [suggestion] Replace Xed with Gedit

Post by rado84 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:18 am

MintBean wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:42 am
From looking at both apps, I disagree that Xed is 'too basic.'
What is it missing?
If you have a file that Gedit can read but Xed can't, that's worth raising as a bug report for Xed.
If it were just one file, I'd be happy. But every single text-based file which is written in non-English language is unreadable by Xed. Gedit doesn't need any settings for that, it autodetects the charset of the file, which makes it a lot better than Xed. For instance, a SRT file with charset Windows-1251 - impossible for Xed, even if you change the settings manually, even if you set it to autodetect - it never does. So Xed is simply useless.
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