Suggestion - LinuMint Installer
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Suggestion - LinuMint Installer
Hi
I gave a test on the Installer of LinuxMint 19, Cinnamon Version.
I hope my points can make a difference for the Linux Mint!
I tested within a virtualbox.
A. I found this issue: the installer should have 4 partitioning options, along with the current ones:
1. Auto helper for single OS boot
2. Auto helper for dual/multi booting
3. Manual (existing one seems to be fine)
4. Manual: It doesnt offer to setup GPT or other partition tables. It forces to a default one. (Usually, in linux distros: If using the GPT mode, the normal partitioning in Linux doesn’t offer to configure and automatically make the bios partition and it’s backup partition automatically. This isn’t easy for Linux Newbie or even an intermediate user.)
5. LVM options: I dont use them, so no comments
B. It will be really fantastic, if there’s a direct installer more right at start, rather then a live mode only.
I hope the LinuxMint developers can do something about it.
Thank you
I gave a test on the Installer of LinuxMint 19, Cinnamon Version.
I hope my points can make a difference for the Linux Mint!
I tested within a virtualbox.
A. I found this issue: the installer should have 4 partitioning options, along with the current ones:
1. Auto helper for single OS boot
2. Auto helper for dual/multi booting
3. Manual (existing one seems to be fine)
4. Manual: It doesnt offer to setup GPT or other partition tables. It forces to a default one. (Usually, in linux distros: If using the GPT mode, the normal partitioning in Linux doesn’t offer to configure and automatically make the bios partition and it’s backup partition automatically. This isn’t easy for Linux Newbie or even an intermediate user.)
5. LVM options: I dont use them, so no comments
B. It will be really fantastic, if there’s a direct installer more right at start, rather then a live mode only.
I hope the LinuxMint developers can do something about it.
Thank you
Re: Suggestion - LinuMint Installer
Because that is a non-standard and certainly not recommended way of setting up your system. GPT goes with UEFI, and that needs no bios partitions. If you're booting in BIOS mode than MBR is usually the way you should go. I have no idea what backup partitions you are talking about, such a thing is certainly not required for anything.makh wrote: ⤴Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:09 am 4. Manual: It doesnt offer to setup GPT or other partition tables. It forces to a default one. (Usually, in linux distros: If using the GPT mode, the normal partitioning in Linux doesn’t offer to configure and automatically make the bios partition and it’s backup partition automatically. This isn’t easy for Linux Newbie or even an intermediate user.)
The automatic modes already set up all the partitions you need, so strong -1 for this suggestion that I do not believe you have properly thought through.
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See here: http://google.com?q=partitioning
About as relevant. If you want to say something, say it, don't just link to random walls of text, ain't nobody got time for that.
About as relevant. If you want to say something, say it, don't just link to random walls of text, ain't nobody got time for that.
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Higm10 wrote: ⤴Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:30 pm See here: http://google.com?q=partitioning
About as relevant. If you want to say something, say it, don't just link to random walls of text, ain't nobody got time for that.
wrt link:
... in my testings, gpt partitions fail to boot with grub2, if these two additional partitions arent created."On BIOS-based systems, a BIOS Boot Partition (GPT fdisk code EF02) plays a role that's similar in some ways to the ESP. The BIOS Boot Partition can hold a second-stage boot loader for GRUB 2. This is helpful because on an MBR disk, GRUB 2 hides data in the otherwise unused and unallocated space between the MBR and the start of the first primary partition. This unallocated and unused space may not exist on a GPT disk, so another place is needed to store the data. If you're in doubt, go ahead and create a small BIOS Boot Partition of about 100 KiB to 1 MiB. At worst, it'll consume a small amount of disk space."
Thankyou
Re: Suggestion - LinuMint Installer
Entirely correct, which is why I already said:
You are trying to set your system up in a way that it prone to lead to problems, as you noticed. That's why I disagreed to make this an option in the installer. Use UEFI if you want GPT. As far as I recall, Windows won't even boot off a GPT disk if you're not in UEFI mode, that's how not recommended this is.
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Dear gm10:
It is nice to know your opinion, but GPT seems to be a good option.
Nevertheless, people may be dual booting with other linux, rather then windows.
Thankyou
It is nice to know your opinion, but GPT seems to be a good option.
Nevertheless, people may be dual booting with other linux, rather then windows.
Thankyou
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Re: Suggestion - LinuMint Installer
Why? I don't see that as a hard and fast rule. I install without UEFI but use GPT partitions because I don't have to worry about a 4 partition limit in the future, if it's ever needed.
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~ $: sudo gdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1
GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.1
Partition table scan:
MBR: protective
BSD: not present
APM: not present
GPT: present
Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 488397168 sectors, 232.9 GiB
Logical sector size: 512 bytes
Disk identifier (GUID): 5158A95D-31D4-422D-9E79-20061F233828
Partition table holds up to 128 entries
First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 488397134
Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries
Total free space is 56643885 sectors (27.0 GiB)
Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
1 2048 80193535 38.2 GiB 8300
3 80193536 431755263 167.6 GiB 8300
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Re: Suggestion - LinuMint Installer
No, of course it's no hard and fast rule, many people do that, but to quote from the link OP himself provided:
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Unfortunately, in practice, there are occasional BIOS/GPT quirks or even downright incompatibilities.
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Well, I fully agree with that.gm10 wrote: ⤴Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:13 am For this reason alone I don't think the installer should open that can of worms by proposing this as an option. There's always "Something else..." to do whatever you want, anyway, but I see no value in spending time developing this sort of semi-automatic mode he's desiring for a configuration that has known incompatibilities.
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In software, if something is done by skills and common sense, then it doesnt opens can of worms! Users should be facilitated, ... look how Android captured the mobile market. And windows, as you mentioned, is over restricted in compatibility, for its competing desktop share.
Thankyou
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I think you're missing a salient point. Here at forums.linuxmint.com, we assist people with technical issues as volunteers, and while there is a suggestions and ideas sub-forum, with very few exceptions, the devs don't post here or even read the forums, neither for looking for ideas nor for any other reason. If your idea has no benefit to the majority of Mint users then it's going to receive well-intended criticism, but at the end of the day, posting ideas here is futile. You need to contact the maintainers or developers of the particular software and argue your case to them, not to us.
"There is, ultimately, only one truth -- cogito, ergo sum -- everything else is an assumption." - Me, my swansong.
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^ what he said. And since Mint is using Ubuntu's installer the argument would have to be made to them.
However, they would certainly go through the same thought process that we went through here in evaluation your proposal, so maybe address that. Good luck.
However, they would certainly go through the same thought process that we went through here in evaluation your proposal, so maybe address that. Good luck.
Re: Suggestion - LinuMint Installer
Hi
Interestingly, the auto feature of GPT partitioner of GhostBSD installer has this feature set!
Thankyou
Interestingly, the auto feature of GPT partitioner of GhostBSD installer has this feature set!
Thankyou