Replace built-in programs with Flatpak versions?

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Replace built-in programs with Flatpak versions?

Post by mzs112000 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:36 pm

I don't know if this is already in the works or not, so here is a suggestion...

Lets replace all of programs from a normal install with their Flatpak versions.
Essentially, get rid of Brasero, LibreOffice, Firefox, GIMP, VLC, Thunderbird, Transmisssion, HexChat, etc, and install the ones from Flathub.

Reasons to do it:
1.) Always have the most up-to-date version of each program, even years after that LM version is shipped.
2.) All programs are sandboxed, increases security.
3.) Programs that require different versions of the same libraries and such will not conflict or cause update problems.
4.) Takes packaging burden off of the LM team or the Ubuntu team, and puts it on upstream(where it belongs IMO).
5.) You get each program exactly as upstream built it, so you know any bugs don't come from Ubuntu or LM packaging.

Reasons not to do it:
1.) It might increase the size of the LM install media.
2.) Updates might eat up more bandwidth.
3.) The OS might be a bit slower, especially on older computers.
4.) It reduces the potential for customization by Ubuntu team or the Mint team.
5.) Due to the sandboxed nature, people with a large number of programs might see disk space usage balloon to unreasonable levels.

So, what does everyone think? Is it a good idea going foward?
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Re: Replace built-in programs with Flatpak versions?

Post by BenTrabetere » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:40 pm

I will find another distro if Linux Mint takes this direction. I will leave without any hesitation, but with a lot of remorse. But I will leave. Flatpak may be a solution to a problem, but maintaining mainline programs like the ones you mentioned is not that problem.

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Re: Replace built-in programs with Flatpak versions?

Post by ajgringo619 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:03 pm

As much as I like Flatpak, I don't think this is a good idea. One of Mint's most attractive features is stability, something that the latest-and-greatest packages can't possibly ensure. If you want to see what happens to a distro that heavily uses an alternative package manager, try the latest Ubuntu. It is full of snaps, which significantly slows down booting.
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Re: Replace built-in programs with Flatpak versions?

Post by AZgl1500 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:46 am

I am trying to get a video editor to work, and it is in Flatpak,
and it will not install and run.

Bad idea IMO.

I never have these type problems with *.deb files, they just install and work.

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Re: Replace built-in programs with Flatpak versions?

Post by catweazel » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:58 am

mzs112000 wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:36 pm
1.) It might increase the size of the LM install media.
2.) Updates might eat up more bandwidth.
3.) The OS might be a bit slower, especially on older computers.
4.) It reduces the potential for customization by Ubuntu team or the Mint team.
5.) Due to the sandboxed nature, people with a large number of programs might see disk space usage balloon to unreasonable levels.

So, what does everyone think? Is it a good idea going foward?
It's a ridiculous idea.
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