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Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:54 am
by rhY
I tried to post this repeatedly in the comments on the news bulletins, but I kept getting some Sucuri Access Denied Website Firewall error page.

Clem:

The default Compiz configuration is less than worthless. Please try it out and tell me otherwise. There are no window borders, you cannot manage windows in any way, drag, drop, minimize, maximize. There is no 3d desktop. At all. Which is largely the point. OpenGL effects are all disabled, you can't zoom, draw with fire, nothing. I've provided you with default options several times that would work for the maximum amount of people and make the drop down to Compiz in the Mate Desktop settings completely worthwhile and usable for 99% of the population. I will list it here again for you:

CompizConfig Settings Manager:

Composite: Checked
General Options: Desktop Size: Horizontal Virtual Size: 4
MATE Compatibility: Checked Commands: Open a terminal: <Control><Alt>t
OpenGL: Checked

Enhanced Desktop Zoom, Checked: Zoom In Button <Shift><Super>Button 4
Enhanced Desktop Zoom, Checked: Zoom Out Button <Shift><Super>Button 5
Opacity, Brightness and Saturation: Checked

Desktop Cube: Checked: Appearance: Skydome: Checked (Change Default Colors for Gradient Start/End)
Transparent Cube: Opacity During Rotation: 20.0000
Rotate Cube: Checked: Zoom: 2.0000 Additional Settings: Speed: 5.0000

Firepaint: Checked
Window Decoration: Checked

Mouse position polling: Checked

Window Management:
Move Window: Checked
Resize Window: Checked
Snapping Windows: Checked

Try out that config, you will see it is very usable and not overly-flashy. But does provide a base level of everything that makes Compiz so great! Then just update the repos so that is the default config.

Also, after doing the 19.3 upgrade to 20, Compiz settings don't save after boot and I have to do all of this over and over again. So.... That's a bug report for you as well.

Thank you, other than that Mint MATE is pretty great out of the box. But the Default Compiz Config has GOT to be better. Otherwise you're just leaving a very confusing mess for newbies who might go explore in Desktop Settings.

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And here's my previous bug report / submission for the Mint 20 Beta that was completely ignored:

Mint 20 Mate Beta Issues:

Default app selections are poor.

Gimp should be installed by default. Period. Also it should be pre-configured to be in single window mode.
Audacious is much lighter/better/faster than Rhythmbox which is bloated and slow.
OBS-studio is insanely popular and should be available in the repos without adding a custom PPA.
Qbittorrent is a lot better than transmission.
K3b is a lot better than brasero
Libre Office apps should be in the favorites list by default. Definitely the spreadsheet and word processor.
Ublock origin should be installed in firefox by default.
VLC should be installed by default. Period.
Aisle Riot should be installed by default, and in the mint menu favorites.

Software Manager Issues.

Tor Browser should be in the software manager.
Editors’ Picks could be a lot better. Gnome Maps, Sublime, PIA Manager, Calibre, and Shutter could definitely be replaced. My suggestions: 0 AD, higan, filezilla, audacity, blender, kdenlive (openshot is too buggy), dolphin emulator
Curating some of the software manager store items to show more polished/popular titles at the top of the list would be good. Especially in the games list.

Compiz Issues.

No default compiz config. Lots to fix here:
Default to 4 desktops/viewports/workspaces (same as Marco or Cinnamon)
Enable OpenGL and Compositing
Enable MATE Compatibility
Enable Enhanced Zoom Desktop (should be Enhanced Desktop Zoom, ENGLISH!) (plus enable the mouse scroll wheel controls)
Enable Opacity, Brightness, Saturation
Enable Desktop Cube and Rotate Cube (and setup better defaults (zoom, speed, etc.)
Enable 3D Windows
Enable Firepaint and Window Decoration
Enable JPEG, PNG, SVG, and Text (Image Loading sub category)
Enable Mouse position polling
Enable Move Window, Resize Window, Snapping Windows, Grid

Mate/Theming Issues.

ALT+CTRL+T should open a terminal. Duh
Dark Themes are darker than the Darker Themes
Calculator is old and ugly. Let’s make a newer/prettier version.
No Darkest Theme (True black)
Have the color selection separate from the theme selection. Themes should be light, lighter, lightest (lightest being total white backgrounds, windows, etc.), and dark, darker, and darkest (darkest being totally black for menus, windows, etc.). Then the folder/icon default color selection can be a separate selection, and it should be a color wheel wherein you can pick ANY color (with a few good defaults available to click on directly).

See Mock Up:
(I spent significant time in GIMP making a mockup, but have since lost it. I believe I posted at the time).

My Number one issue with Mint is that during the Beta cycle, lots of bugs are reported, and almost none of them are fixed before release. What's the point of the beta?

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:57 am
by antikythera
Just to add that if you or Clem weren't already aware, Audacious is now a Qt framework application and no longer GTK.

https://audacious-media-player.org/news ... 0-released

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:28 am
by rhY
Here's a Demo of how that works:

https://youtu.be/UGmBy-sYoN0

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:34 am
by Pjotr
rhY wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:54 am
The default Compiz configuration is less than worthless.
Compiz itself is utterly worthless. A glittering heap of unstable garbage. Has always been so since its inception. Trash like Compiz should be dumped entirely by the Mint devs.

In the meantime:

Code: Select all

sudo apt-get remove compiz-core
..... and live happily ever after. :mrgreen:

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:35 am
by rhY
It's still the most advanced and impressive Desktop Environment ever made. Has been for years. I use it all the time and almost never have problems. The latest version of Mint MATE though was a downgrade, but that could be because I didn't do a fresh install. At any rate, the default config should be better if it's an option in the Desktop Settings menu. If you don't like it: Don't use it. Or even delete it. That's your choice, but some of us DO like it and use it. A lot.

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:18 pm
by MartyMint
rhY wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:35 am
It's still the most advanced and impressive Desktop Environment ever made.
I'm impressed that it consistantly fails to retain settings throughout boot...
...tears screens...
...crashes X...
...specific effects negate each other...


...but wobbly windows was impressive in 2011.

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:16 am
by all41
The only issue I have ever encountered with Compiz is desktop focus and I have a workaround.
Sorry to see such experienced users disparage this. I do not use the eye candy, but the compositor and window placement
makes this manager top my list.
Using compiz w MATE20 ram usage 639mb
Using marco+compoiting only uses 556mb, so there is a price
I booted each and timed at 2.0 minutes to take the readings with identical conkys

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:20 am
by rhY
MartyMint wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:18 pm
rhY wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:35 am
It's still the most advanced and impressive Desktop Environment ever made.
I'm impressed that it consistantly fails to retain settings throughout boot...
...tears screens...
...crashes X...
...specific effects negate each other...


...but wobbly windows was impressive in 2011.
I don't have those issues. And I don't use wobbly windows. Which you can clearly see in the demo I posted above. The tearing issue is generally a video driver issue, FYI.

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:15 pm
by MrEen
You might want to take this up with Ubuntu, since they provide all the compiz related packages.

While they have a ton of open bug reports for compiz itself, the settings manager doesn't have many. You could make your suggestions here.

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:25 pm
by antikythera
This topic has made me wonder if MATE could have Muffin as an additional WM option since it can do what marco and compiz do. I may ask upstream because as and when compiz is deprecated, muffin could be a reasonable replacement.

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:25 pm
by MartyMint
Don't get me wrong, just as a compositor itself, Compiz is "fine".

It's the graphical gimmicks included with Compiz that feel very beta.

Re: Default Compiz Config for all future versions of Mint MATE

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:39 pm
by rickNS
Like @all41, I've NEVER had a single issue with compiz.
So I disagree with Pjotr opinion that it is usless junk, and should be removed from Mint, glad he doesn't make a ll the decisions.