all41 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 am
we are well off topic--my apologies to the op and others
That's the problem...
I've tried to be as clear as possible, but you can't show something for those who don't want to see.
From people taking 3 words from Fedora website to not even watching the video it's very hard to have a grounded conversation, i didn't want this to be a gorrila like pounding chest oh my gosh....
It's simple: Installation process simplified + better first time boot;
More options (like i've said about the monitor) on the GUI;
"oh but my mom like this way", "but fedora its for developers" I DON'T CARE! This is not the point!
I never said Fedora is better than Mint, i am not using Fedora! But, it is not 'cause i don't use it that i cannot appreciate these things!
"Oh but mint is stable", "oh but that is about just the DE" WHO CARES? Can't we have that? Mint is just a Ubuntu - Gnome? That's it?
I've said, look at the video, can you see the process? Can you please try to understand the impact for something simplified like this to most end users?
I am not saying BE LIKE FEDORA! I am saying: Fedora did something interesting here, i think you should have that.
I, maybe it's just me BUT my friends (and some channels) say that Linux Mint sometimes feel cheap and unpolished 'cause 3 programs can have 3 different design concepts, you like that? Your mom likes that? That's fine! But please, the point is: I honestly think a more uniform system will make a better impression (and i don't think this is a hard sell for someone who wants to think about some changes).
The installation process can be less of a "installation process" and more of a first boot experience, you like the old one? Fine. You think we still should have some options there during the installation process? Fine. Can we still have some of that first boot experience like Fedora? That's asking too much? I'm not asking to bring back KDE, i'm not asking to change to .rpm packages, im just saying: Installation process simplified + better first time boot; That's it! That's the point.
You don't want to watch anything, understand anything, you don't want to take the discussion and think about it, fine. But don't put words in my mouth and treat as if i am just a Fedora fanboy or "just want a rolling release hurr durr".
Mint is Good for you the way it is? Fine, more power too you.
Now that we have burn the straw man, let's get down to business.
Forget Fedora as a distribution i am not talking about any of that stuff, just take a look at the points on Fedora: Simplified installation process, Uniform UI, first time boot, more care with the boot sequence visuals. Things like these that will impact the end user, don't put rolling release, direction of Fedora distro and any of that stuff in my mouth, if you don't like my point at least respect the space for those who want to consider the perspective, ok?
I want to discuss this and if possible pass it on directly to the developers because I really bought the idea, I really think it will positively impact users and that is my goal. I am not telling anyone to switch to rolling release, development for developers, nothing like that. Just the user experience with the visuals and how the system feels. I even said: I hate gnome! But i can still see a job well done there, the work to make it uniform is visible and I think it would be interesting if Mint had it too. That's it.