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Re: Advice quality
Rene,
I pride myself on being more computer-literate than most of my friends and colleagues in spite of my 74 years. What I am trying to do is marshal the considerable intellectual property available in this forum for the common good.
As an example of my frustration, please go to a topic I started in Software named: 'Server Selection'. My English is impeccable and the reply is also impeccable. So the problem is not misinterpretation. The person has been a forum member for longer than I so it's not lack of experience. He is answering a problem that I didn't ask and worse still; NOT giving me an answer that I initially asked for. In recent times this behaviour has happened frequently and the culprits are usually noobs, or very young. If I complain, I am shouted down. How is this helpful?
I pride myself on being more computer-literate than most of my friends and colleagues in spite of my 74 years. What I am trying to do is marshal the considerable intellectual property available in this forum for the common good.
As an example of my frustration, please go to a topic I started in Software named: 'Server Selection'. My English is impeccable and the reply is also impeccable. So the problem is not misinterpretation. The person has been a forum member for longer than I so it's not lack of experience. He is answering a problem that I didn't ask and worse still; NOT giving me an answer that I initially asked for. In recent times this behaviour has happened frequently and the culprits are usually noobs, or very young. If I complain, I am shouted down. How is this helpful?
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Re: Advice quality
Well, that referred to thread points to a not yet mentioned but also quite relevant aspect here; you in that one taking some form of supplier/customer relationship for granted and in this one specifically wanting to introduce that form of relationship. In the Linux world generally and certainly on this forum specifically no such relationship exists and it is not a given that you are in some way entitled to a full and direct answer to your question. Sure, as a matter of general courtesy somewhat entitled to some form of relevant answer but that's in fact exactly what you got. Admittedly rather minus the dot-file thing (...) I'd even call it generally good advise: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=358943
The question you asked was in essence already off-topic and at the very least in the specific forum it was posted into, a Linux Mint forum. But okay, this forum being generally not all that uptight, okay-ish, but it's then certainly to be classified a more general question, and you just don't get to complain about receiving a more general answer as well. This then combines with my previous post; you not in fact stating why and in what context "dedicated server software" would/could potentially help you with what if any problem meaning that anyone who'd answer not generally would first be milking you for information as to context of the question.
Basically then what I'm telling you is that if answers you get to questions you ask suck it is because your questions suck. And see? That's why open source dynamics are very different from the normal supplier/customer relationship dynamics; over here we get to insult people that an e.g. Microsoft Windows support technician only wants to insult. Not for everyone...
I'll otherwise leave this thread be by the way; it hasn't been going anywhere from the start.
The question you asked was in essence already off-topic and at the very least in the specific forum it was posted into, a Linux Mint forum. But okay, this forum being generally not all that uptight, okay-ish, but it's then certainly to be classified a more general question, and you just don't get to complain about receiving a more general answer as well. This then combines with my previous post; you not in fact stating why and in what context "dedicated server software" would/could potentially help you with what if any problem meaning that anyone who'd answer not generally would first be milking you for information as to context of the question.
Basically then what I'm telling you is that if answers you get to questions you ask suck it is because your questions suck. And see? That's why open source dynamics are very different from the normal supplier/customer relationship dynamics; over here we get to insult people that an e.g. Microsoft Windows support technician only wants to insult. Not for everyone...
I'll otherwise leave this thread be by the way; it hasn't been going anywhere from the start.
Re: Advice quality
as said, elsewhere in this thread, who should assign this status, and how should it be done ?Peter Linu wrote: ⤴Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:08 am Ivar,
Imagine a world where this wouldn't be necessary. Imagine a forum where people's status was well defined. Imagine a world where information needed was supplied promptly with a minimum of fuss. Imagine a world where people without knowledge were not considered equal in ability as experts.
I think I prefer things the way they are, where I can decide for myself
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Spoken like a true child of the current generation. You'd prefer most-probably incorrect information and prefer to be free to select it than get plain, simple and correct information from a senior member.I think I prefer things the way they are, where I can decide for myself
Out of interest, have you had 2 Covid19 jabs yet?
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Re: Advice quality
Your question was pretty much garbage. "Server software" is such a broad area that your question was totally meaningless. That's why you got a vague answer. Also, Mint isn't a popular option for servers in the first place because the whole point of Mint is a polished desktop experience. Most servers don't even have any monitors attached because that would be useless. Admins don't sit in front of servers, they SSH into them, or use something comparable.Peter Linu wrote: ⤴Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:33 amAs an example of my frustration, please go to a topic I started in Software named: 'Server Selection'.
Debian without desktop environment would be a much more logical choice for a server.
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Re: Advice quality
Sticking feathers up your butt...does not make you a chicken ( Tyler Durden)
Also....laughing fat cheek babies.
Finally ...NEVER get " on" the plane if you must use an airplane for travel. Get IN the plane. Let Evel Knievel get ON the plane if he wants.
Also....laughing fat cheek babies.
Finally ...NEVER get " on" the plane if you must use an airplane for travel. Get IN the plane. Let Evel Knievel get ON the plane if he wants.
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Re: Advice quality
DPM,
...then why were two forum members able to give me the advice that I was looking for? (server software not required. Stick with XFCE).
Motoryzen,
Sorry, don't get the two gags.
...then why were two forum members able to give me the advice that I was looking for? (server software not required. Stick with XFCE).
Motoryzen,
Sorry, don't get the two gags.
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Re: Advice quality
Because there's always an off-chance that someone hits the right spot answering a vague question just by accident, but that requires several shots in the dark, some of which will obviously miss. With a strict policy like on Stackoverflow, your question would have been closed right away.Peter Linu wrote: ⤴Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:22 pm...then why were two forum members able to give me the advice that I was looking for?
It's not just advice quality, it starts with question quality. Now, Mint is geared towards bringing Linux to non-tech people, and that's great because it allowed me to migrate several non-IT family members from Windows to Linux. With that target audience, loose questions are to be expected. Many questions here would be moderated away e.g. in the Debian forum because people here routinely fail to read and follow the instructions how to get help.
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I don't see where my question is vague. It's certainly open-ended, allowing all sorts of answers...but then I don't need to justify or defend my position...
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Re: Advice quality
"Dedicated server software for storage" is such a broad category that your question was meaningless. If you don't understand why, then I hate it to break to you, but you simply have no idea at all about servers. That's also why you came up with the idea of using Mint for servers in the first place. It's also why you complain about bad advice - because the same cluelessness also keeps you from recognising the situation. Then you came up with even more clueless "ideas" such as allowing forum moderators to do remote connections into people's computers - which also shows that you don't even understand what a forum moderator is.
Pretty much a case of Dunning-Kruger effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect
Once you learn a bit, you will become more competent, and at that stage, you will facepalm at your previous approaches.
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Re: Advice quality
and that's why I posted the question. And I might add that two members (both with longevity rank of 6) understood my question.If you don't understand why, then I hate it to break to you, but you simply have no idea at all about servers.
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Re: Advice quality
Asking broad, meaningless questions, relying on luck for someone to answer whatever you might consider as helpful, and then even complaining about the others who missed the lottery, is pretty rude. The problem wasn't the non-matching answers. The problem was your vague question.Peter Linu wrote: ⤴Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:34 pmAnd I might add that two members (both with longevity rank of 6) understood my question.
Here a tip if you don't know what exactly you need to ask: instead, say what you your goal is, and then ask for tips how to achieve that. So, no open-ended garbage like some random "server software" because storage can as well include some database setup, not just some file server. Describe your use case precisely. That will increase the odds that someone with a similar use case can tell you how he got there.
Re: Advice quality
Peter Linu wrote: ⤴Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:26 pmSpoken like a true child of the current generation. You'd prefer most-probably incorrect information and prefer to be free to select it than get plain, simple and correct information from a senior member.I think I prefer things the way they are, where I can decide for myself
Out of interest, have you had 2 Covid19 jabs yet?
your assumptions speaks for themselves here, I think
as for the server thread, it would maybe helped is this question was properly answered:
I cannot recommend any software unless I know what you are trying to accomplish.
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I'll accept that.
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Re: Advice quality
That is a FACT:Lady Fitzgerald wrote: ⤴Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:50 amPlease, not a color change! Many people are color blind.
another fact, 50 percent of the Male population is Color Blind to some extent.....
look it up.
I am one of those, you start to bury text in PINK or pale RED and I will never see it..
Fact of Life....
Stoplights: The RED ONE is on TOP in every state of the USA, most likely in other countries also, but I have no way of knowing that.
the middle light is Yellow, it looks WHITE to me...
the Bottom Light is GREEN, it fades into the Sunset, and I know it must be green because ALL OF THE LIGHTS HAVE DISAPPEARED....
So, screw that color change idea.
this forum works just fine, the way it is.
I can see green on this forum, because it is a Solid Mat of color, enough that my eyes know it must be green because all of you tell me it is so. I see darker shades of it.
but a green car looks BROWN to me, ask my family and they will tell you that is a FACT.
How can I mow the grass?
Well, the strip I just passed is shorter than the uncut grass next to it, but is it brown or green?
ADVICE:
I am far from being totally Linux qualified, 99% of the answers I provide come from my NOTEBOOK...
I have a Memory Deficiency courtesy of a Semi Truck that needed my lane of travel, the crash destroyed my Hypothalamus gland, which destroyed my balance and body Temperature control...
a severe concussion on the frontal lobe took care of the Memory cells, I can remember something, almost long enough to write it down, maybe... that is why I keep a Notebook.
leave this forum alone, we are all VOLUNTEERS, no one is paid a dime, not even the moderators....
I know that, because I am the Administrator of another forum, I do it because I enjoy it...
if it becomes a headache, I will retire from the Internet, and someone, might miss my input, maybe...
Re: Advice quality
That's why it's a basic accessibility guideline (e.g. WCAG) to never convey meaning through colour alone, but also use additional cues such as different wording (YES / NO in red / green), different symbols (e.g. checkmarks in green and crosses in red for checklists), or sufficient contrast.Lady Fitzgerald wrote: ⤴Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:50 amPlease, not a color change! Many people are color blind.
That sounds pretty dangerous in case the whole traffic light just doesn't work, in which case the priority is usually indicated by backup stationary traffic signs that can be priority or yield. Mistaking the latter for a green traffic light looks like an accident waiting to happen.
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I can't always tell if a flashing traffic light is red or yellow so I just treat both as flashing red lights. It might P.O. someone behind me but they will survive and get over it.DPM wrote: ⤴Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:16 am ...That sounds pretty dangerous in case the whole traffic light just doesn't work, in which case the priority is usually indicated by backup stationary traffic signs that can be priority or yield. Mistaking the latter for a green traffic light looks like an accident waiting to happen.
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Re: Advice quality
Can't you tell by position? All the traffic lights I have ever seen have red at the top, amber in the middle, and green at the bottom.Lady Fitzgerald wrote: ⤴Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:35 am
I can't always tell if a flashing traffic light is red or yellow so I just treat both as flashing red lights. It might P.O. someone behind me but they will survive and get over it.
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Not when there is only one light. Some rural intersections have a single flashing red light, for example, a north/south road, and a single flashing yellow light for the east/west road crossing it.cliffcoggin wrote: ⤴Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:09 pmCan't you tell by position? All the traffic lights I have ever seen have red at the top, amber in the middle, and green at the bottom.Lady Fitzgerald wrote: ⤴Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:35 am
I can't always tell if a flashing traffic light is red or yellow so I just treat both as flashing red lights. It might P.O. someone behind me but they will survive and get over it.
Jeannie
To ensure the safety of your data, you have to be proactive, not reactive, so, back it up!
To ensure the safety of your data, you have to be proactive, not reactive, so, back it up!