Working install (not "live-DVD" ) on a USB - possible?

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Working install (not "live-DVD" ) on a USB - possible?

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I would like to learn and maybe use linux from a usb stick (on some OS X 10.6.8 and 10.8.5 machines)

I have the "live DVD" version linuxmint-15-mate-dvd-64bit.iso booting and running well from a 32 gig USB-3 and thought this would be a place to experiment - but I was mistaken. When I update 225 packages and get the wifi working - everything reverts back to the initial state next time I boot from the usb.

I want the option to boot from the usb into a working installation on the USB where I can update and customize the software and save files and so on - is this possible? I found this http://www.muktware.com/2011/05/install-linux-mint-on-usb-drive-and-walk-with-it-portable-linux-mint/1198 but it is old and I have not studied it - should I trust it?

Thanks, Phil

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Short answer, yes it is possible. Search for Mint 15 live persistence.

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=138744

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=146385

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=139481

Good luck and Happy Trails, Rok
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Phil;

You can install Mint to a USB stick the same as installing it to a HD. You will need a stick at least 8GB in size. The most important part of the install is to be sure that GRUB in installed to the stick and not the HD of the computer...

This works perfectly fine on a "regular" laptop (I have actually done it) - I am not sure if Mac systems behave any differently... As long as you are only writing to the stick, I don't think you can hurt much - i.e. the worst that can happen is it won't work... Having said that, I ALWAYS RECOMMEND a compete backup of the system you will be working on just in case things end up going sideways - it can happen to anyone...
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rokytnji wrote:Short answer, yes it is possible.
Correct.
Search for Mint 15 live persistence.
Absolute offtopic. A read-only live system with a persistence file that merely softens the read-only restrictions is exactly NOT what the OP pwvirgo wants.

He wants
+ to boot from a Linux Mint live system on USB pendrive #1 and
+ to perform a full Linux Mint installation on USB pendrive #2 like you would perform it on a harddisk.

2 pwvirgo:
Study this step by step instruction, [url=http://www.muktware.com/2011/05/install-linux-mint-on-usb-drive-and-walk-with-it-portable-linux-mint/1198]Install Linux Mint On USB Drive And Walk With It: Portable Linux Mint[/url] and follow it carefully.


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I appreciate the suggestions but they do not solve the problem, persistence does not appear to be the answer to my requirement, and although I was able use the instructions at http://www.muktware.com/2011/05/install-linux-mint-on-usb-drive-and-walk-with-it-portable-linux-mint/1198 to install mint on a flash drive I cannot get the mac to recognize the usb as a possible place to boot - that article is written for "pc" not for "mac" - which does not recognize the resulting usb stick as a bootable device.

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So, you can boot to a live USB but not to a USB that has had Mint installed?!?!?!? Doesn't make sense if the installation went right... do you get a GRUB screen on boot up??? You should... If you don't there isn't any way to load the OS... The other question is where IS GRUB installed??? does the computer boot normally when booting from the HD?
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Hello, Phil.
(on some OS X 10.6.8 and 10.8.5 machines)
I am afraid we all missed this part of your very first sentence in your very first post. As a consequence we gave you pieces of advice which will indeed only work on the type of machines that most of us use, PCs. Sorry. :oops:
For a Mac machine the USB pendrive needs to use UEFI boot if I am not mistaken. Yet, as I have got no Apple machine I have never carefully followed threads about Mint on Apple machines. Therefore I will have to keep quiet and hope someone who has got the required knowledge will join the thread and offer his/her help.

Hm, one thing, which I am pretty sure is this: You have installed the normal Grub2 on your USB pendrive now. The normal Grub2 assumes you are using MBR based boot methods. But to the best of my knowledge Apple computers use some kind of UEFI boot. Therefore the solution might be to replace the normal Grub2 on the pendrive by grub-uefi or grub-efi, whatever the exact name will be. - But beware, this is just what I think I remember. It will have to be verified.

P.S.:
Here is what a quick and dirty "Apple Mint Grub-efi" search on Google has returned, hm, part of the list:
+ [url=http://mennucc1.debian.net/macbook_linux_efi.html]http://mennucc1.debian.net/macbook_linux_efi.html[/url]
+ [url=http://www.rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/]http://www.rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/[/url]
+ [url=http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/238384-50-solved-linux-mint-maya-uefi-boot-with-home]Solved: Linux Mint 13 Maya UEFI boot (with / and /home on LV)[/url]
+ UEFIBooting
Beware:
I have not taken the time to check whether any of the linked articles matches your situation completely, partially or not at all. I just wanted to find out and let you know that the solution can be found somewhere out there. :wink: - Still hoping an experienced user of Mint on Mac will chime in.

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Thanks so much for taking the time to help me out! I spent a few minutes looking at the links KarlChen kindly provided, but they require a lot of expertise which I do not have. It really surprises me that with tens of millions of linux users and tens of millions of mac users this wasn't solved, perfected, and packaged long ago. I tried talking to Apple about it but they did not have clue.

Reorx asked why I could boot to a mint live USB and not to a USB with a full installation. That is because I found the "Mac Linux USB Loader" at https://github.com/SevenBits/Mac-Linux-USB-Loader but it only deals with .iso live files. There is no option for the more general "boot a Mac from a USB" issue. I have some vague notions about what GRUB and EFI are - but only machine I ever had that much intimacy with was a 1979 1.74 Mhz Atari with a 6502 cpu!

I have access to windows machines through my job. I may recreate that USB installation (which I reformatted when it did not work) try and learn a little linux there.

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pwvirgo wrote:It really surprises me that with tens of millions of linux users and tens of millions of mac users this wasn't solved, perfected, and packaged long ago. I tried talking to Apple about it but they did not have clue.
Apple OS and hardware are very propriatery and the 2 are designed to work together like a lock and a key. And Apple doesnt talk about it at all - they don't have to. You can only buy their hardware with their OS installed on it and you can only buy their OS on their hardware - outside their factory, neither the OS nor the hardware can be found without the other. They intentionally make it hard to fiddle around with their systems...
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Search for Mint 15 live persistence.

Absolute offtopic. A read-only live system with a persistence file that merely softens the read-only restrictions is exactly NOT what the OP pwvirgo wants.
Well, from utter nonsense to Absolute offtopic is a improvement I guess. Have fun answering unanswered posts for this forum.
I take a chance trying to help out but I guess I am not qualified for that so happy trails, rok.

Good luck with the install pwvirgo.
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Hello, rokytnji.

Please, do not beat the wrong dog. It was me who wrote the quoted words, not pwvirgo. If the request is to perform a normal installation on a USB pendrive like you would install on a harddisk, then suggesting to create a live system with persistence is offtopic.
You are free to disagree. You are free to report my post to the admins. Yet, do not beat the wrong dog.

By the way, isn't it funny, ironic and poetic justice that my own oh so smart advice turned out to be offtopic too, because I had missed pwvirgo's remark "(on some OS X 10.6.8 and 10.8.5 machines)" and given advice for a PC, where pwvirgo needed a solution for an Apple computer? - Pride goes before a fall, I'd say.

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Please, do not beat the wrong dog. It was me who wrote the quoted words, not pwvirgo.
Owning 6 dogs now (all throw aways destined for death) I don't beat dogs for starters. Kinda a miscommunication here as is usual on forums and online chatter.
Nowhere am I really blaming anybody. I was grinning when I posted that . I was tired when I wrote that so my panties were probably in a wad.

I never reported anything or anyone to anywhere in my life. It is not this bikers style. I missed the Mac part also. I mainly reply in unanswered
posts so a guy don't feel like he is left hanging. I am not a IT guy or educated formally. Just a self taught linux using biker.

I don't suffer being chastised in real life. So it kinda carried over to this thread.

All I can say is I get over stuff real quick and Happy Trails from ,Rok
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