Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

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Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by narendra.d » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:27 am

Hi all

I have tried to look for the specific hardware I have but could not find any. I have a ASUS E402S notebook with Windows 10 pre installed and running or crawling like a snail though I have tried to to remove a lot Windows 10 bloat. In fact I am unable even to use a web browser on it now. The hardware is a Celeron N 3050 CPU with 2 GB RAM and a 14" screen with 1366x768 resolution. The BIOS is American Megatrends version 209. The system came with a 32 GB eMMC card on which Windows 10 is installed on 30GB partition. Other partitions on the eMMC include a 273MB EFI partition, 523MB Recovery partition and a 17MB unknown type called Microsoft Reserved. I am hoping that there are no Poison pill kind of code to prevent replacing MS Windows.

My plan is to either replace completely the Windows 10 with Linuxmint MATE current version or add it as a dual boot by installing Linuxmint to a 500GB HDD that is installed as additional storage. I have a feeling that installing Linux to eMMC with pre-installed Windows 10 is not without problems including UEFI which I am not much aware of.
My current machine is Linuxmint 18.2 on a similarly low powered ASUS X200MA and is running well.

I tried running liveUSB of Linuxmint 18 (not 18.2) and Lubuntu 15.10 (those are the one I have currently, will download when I have a way forward chalked out) and they seem to run ok without checking everything.

Ran lspci and lsusb on it in live mode and heres the details.

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lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Device 2280 (rev 21)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 22b1 (rev 21)
00:0b.0 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Device 22dc (rev 21)
00:13.0 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Device 22a3 (rev 21)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Device 22b5 (rev 21)
00:1a.0 Encryption controller: Intel Corporation Device 2298 (rev 21)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Device 2284 (rev 21)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 22c8 (rev 21)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 22ca (rev 21)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Device 22ce (rev 21)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation Device 229c (rev 21)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation Device 2292 (rev 21)
02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
03:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5286 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
03:00.2 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)



mint@mint ~ $ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f2:b52b Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:b721 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 058f:6387 Alcor Micro Corp. Flash Drive
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Is this install possible without bricking the system. Any advice/help or links to get more information or go forward with this safely, I would be very grateful to receive. Thank you all for reading so far along as well.

Narendra

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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by catweazel » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:49 am

If you can't even run a browser in Windwoes then I'd say it's bricked already, but that's just my opinion. 18.2 MATE should run nicely on that machine. You should avoid Cinnamon and KDE. The best way to verify that 18.2 MATE runs is to run from live media.
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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by kc1di » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:52 am

you should be able to run mate ok on that machine. 2GB is on the low end though. If possible it would run better with 4 GB ram.
Just do not remove the UEFI partition you'll need that to boot grub in Linux.
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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by catweazel » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:01 am

kc1di wrote: Just do not remove the UEFI partition you'll need that to boot grub in Linux.
Surely not if he gets rid of Windwoes?
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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by kc1di » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:48 am

Hi catweazel,
He just needs the partition it will get overwritten if he is booting in uefi mode. But the partition will be used by Linux.
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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by catweazel » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:55 am

kc1di wrote:Hi catweazel,
He just needs the partition it will get overwritten if he is booting in uefi mode. But the partition will be used by Linux.
It seems pointless to bother with UEFI if he's only going to have linux on his machine; assuming of course his BIOS allows legacy booting.
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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by kc1di » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:28 am

catweazel wrote:
kc1di wrote:Hi catweazel,
He just needs the partition it will get overwritten if he is booting in uefi mode. But the partition will be used by Linux.
It seems pointless to bother with UEFI if he's only going to have linux on his machine.
I Agree to a point but not all machines will allow you to disable UEFI boot.
in any event Guess he can try and just install mint if it does not work the first time try again in another mode :)
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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by narendra.d » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:41 am

Thank you to you both for your responses. The hardware is what it is, can't add or replace RAM, so have to do with what I have.

I've been trying to read more. I've read it may get difficult to boot linux off a eMMC even if I get something installed because its read as a /dev/mmcblk0. Is it better to install on the 500 GB HDD with grub too on the same drive without touching the eMMC. Basically forget that windows exists on the machine.

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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by BG405 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:06 pm

I have a machine with similar specs and a 32GB eMMC and find space rather limited; probably not enough to do any serious video editing, for example. It boots & runs fast from the eMMC (I'm using LM18.2 KDE) so you might want to put in the 500GB HDD & use that for your /home or a data partition.

My only concern is the life expectancy of the eMMC. My machine doesn't have a SATA header fitted.
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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by narendra.d » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:16 am

Hi

Thank you all for all your responses so far. Thought I've been using linux and specifically Mint for a over 5 years, I have never installed it over a windows OS or alongside it. And that's what is worrying me. Do I wipe the eMMC completely including the EUFI and recovery partitions. How to find out if the BIOS allows installation of a new OS or replacement of OS? Will the new OS be able to boot as it's being installed on eMMC and I not a HDD. I've been able to boot with a Linuxmint Mate live USB, so have some confidence that it will run if it boots. I will of course set /home on the 500 GB HDD and not on the eMMC.

So basically,
1. How to find out if BIOS would allows installation of a new OS.
2. How to make sure OS would boot off the eMMC.
3. Should I wipe the EFI and recovery partition as well to install.

Thank you for your responses.

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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by michael louwe » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:39 am

@ narendra.d, .......

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Re: Replace/Install LinuxMint MATE on 32GB eMMC

Post by BG405 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:10 am

If the live USB boots OK & sees the internal storage, it *should* boot fine from the eMMC. You may need to "select an uefi file as trusted for executing" or something similar; I'm not sure with the newer Asus machines, mine's an Acer. In any case, make a backup first.

It might be easier just to wipe it & create new partitions like I did e.g.
128MB FAT EFI Sysyem Partition,
512MB ext2 /boot (this is where your kernels will go; give it more if you're going to be experimenting),
4GB swap & the rest as ext4 for / (swap should be at one end of the drive with spinning rust but doubt it matters with flash storage). Give it more if you want; there should still be plenty of space for /.

You'll be able to set the partitions accordingly using the installer.

Hope this helps.


BTW: Removing the Recovery partition is enough to bork Windows 10! :mrgreen:
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