Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by JoeBingo » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:06 am

Yep, I figured that gm10. Just wanted to play with it I guess. Sometimes it would boot normally and sometimes not. Sometimes when it didn't boot normally and I tried to get to the grub menu in order to boot an earlier kernel ... it would give me a grub menu "if it wanted to" or maybe not or maybe a terminal like something page associated with grub that I'd never seen before.

I tried uninstalling 24, and installing 23 first since I'd jumped from 20-24. Found there were a bunch of new files that need to be installed along with 23 and thought maybe that might have something to do with my issues in 24 since it didn't require those files or anything like them when I jumped from 20 to 24. AND FOUND 24 actually worked for a couple of days ... until I then uninstalled 23 and associated files, then it became unstable again. Can't 100% or even 10% say it had anything to do with 23. Maybe just a coincidence. Who knows.

I checked Linux Mint Blog to see if LM had put anything out officially advising not to update to 24 ... crickets ... and it's STILL available for download and install !!! ... so maybe I was doing something wrong, had tweaked something somehow incorrectly or who knows what but LM hasn't issued an advisory concerning 24 and they still have it available ... so heck, what was I doing !?!?!? ... playing around with it as a user and nothing more. I gave up LOL

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by gm10 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:15 am

JoeBingo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:06 am
I checked Linux Mint Blog to see if LM had put anything out officially advising not to update to 24 ... crickets ... and it's STILL available for download and install !!! ... so maybe I was doing something wrong, had tweaked something somehow incorrectly or who knows what but LM hasn't issued an advisory concerning 24 and they still have it available ... so heck, what was I doing !?!?!? ... playing around with it as a user and nothing more. I gave up LOL
I don't think that's something they want on the front-page to scare people off I think. The blog generally only sees Mint-specific stuff. The kernels are from Ubuntu.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by JoeBingo » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:26 am

gm10 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:15 am
I don't think that's something they want on the front-page to scare people off I think.

And was just gonna say my usual about -24 having been removed days ago, but no mirror can really be that slow so I just checked and apparently Canonical re-added the kernel to the repositories, both xenial and bionic. Now I'm really confused as to what's going on over there. Why would they do that when they know it's broken?
Interesting that it's back up over there. Is it still 4.15.0.24.26 or is it some 4.15.0.24.(XX) kernel?

OH ... and speaking of scaring people off ... I thought about that too but maybe a little differently. By not recognizing the problems many are having with 24 and not saying anything ... That meant that any novice who just downloaded and installed LM19 Mate for a first time experience with LM ... AND still had default settings in Update Manager AND had downloaded and installed 24 but couldn't get it to boot ... MIGHT think Linux Mint is a POS and RUN back to Windows. I've used LM exclusively since about 2009 and haven't seen something like this until now (but have never installed every single kernel that comes out) but I kinda know the deal, ya know. Someone new to Mint and having kernel problems when they're doing everything right and everything LM update manager defaults to on install ... might get scared away.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by gm10 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:34 am

JoeBingo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:26 am
gm10 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:15 am
And was just gonna say my usual about -24 having been removed days ago, but no mirror can really be that slow so I just checked and apparently Canonical re-added the kernel to the repositories, both xenial and bionic. Now I'm really confused as to what's going on over there. Why would they do that when they know it's broken?
Interesting that it's back up over there. Is it still 4.15.0.24.26 or is it some 4.15.0.24.(XX) kernel?
Still 24.26. But actually I had removed that part of my post again because while my mirror has it again it doesn't come up in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+pa ... ge-generic so now I'm just confused. ;)

JoeBingo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:26 am
OH ... and speaking of scaring people off ... I thought about that too but maybe a little differently. By not recognizing the problems many are having with 24 and not saying anything ... That meant that any novice who just downloaded and installed LM19 Mate for a first time experience with LM ... AND still had default settings in Update Manager AND had downloaded and installed 24 but couldn't get it to boot ... MIGHT think Linux Mint is a POS and RUN back to Windows. I've used LM exclusively since about 2009 and haven't seen something like this until now but I kinda know the deal, ya know. Someone new to Mint and having kernel problems when they're doing everything right and everything LM update manager defaults to on install ... might get scared away.
Frankly at this point they should just block the -24 from their end. I mean, it runs flawlessly on my system but so many users run into issues that I think it would be justified.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by JoeBingo » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:39 am

... and for this very issue with 24 that so many are experiencing with a wide variety of hardware ... as well as based on every single piece of advice I've ever heard read in LM user manuals and the sage (semi) professional advice concerning upgrading the kernel in a Linux system ("if it ain't broke don't fix it") ... I was shocked SHOCKED to find that on install the default setting in Update Manager have the boxes checked off for "Always show kernel update" and "Always select kernel updates". Shocking

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by gm10 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:42 am

The new default policy is to update everything and timeshift restore where necessary. I still think it's a good idea for the average non-technical user who doesn't want to mess with the settings, but I think that same average user should get better prepared for the case that something goes wrong.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by JoeBingo » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:45 am

... Agree. Timeshift is wonderful (except for some minor glitches I'm still "playing with" but haven't mentioned or seen mentioned anywhere yet) ... yep WONDERFUL ... if you can boot to it ;)

EDIT: Is it strange that Always show kernel update and Always select kernel updates ... update EVERYTHING are checked off by default ... but Timeshift isn't set up by default one way or another?
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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by gm10 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:48 am

Always have a liveUSB available and you're good.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by JoeBingo » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:00 am

gm10 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:48 am
Always have a liveUSB available and you're good.
Yep ... I've reloaded LM-19 Mate a few times now from liveUSB ;) LOL ... but I get your point, sir ... whether or not that means anything to someone new to mint dunno . I'm retired and have lots of time to while away with stuff. LM19 Mate is stable and perfect for me. I just don't have a need or know a compelling reason to upgrade the kernel from the one LM19 Mate comes with so I won't try again unless there is a awful dang good reason to.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by Taildragger » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:10 am

gm10 and others, thanks for the input. (I do always have a live USB or CD now) I'll be going back to 18.3, but would still like to know what to do, ie, how to change the boot problem using gparted with the live disk. Images below:

https://imgur.com/a/caOgzrl

the top picture that has /boot/efi is the one that works, the bottom one doesn't.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by mwbworld » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:42 am

gm10 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:34 am
Frankly at this point they should just block the -24 from their end. I mean, it runs flawlessly on my system but so many users run into issues that I think it would be justified.
Admittedly, saying this may provoke irony but I've have not problems with it either. Part of me is contemplating rolling back just in case - I'm more hoping that the newer version fixing the issues will just arrive already.
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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by Alstewart767 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:46 pm

JoeBingo wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:26 am
gm10 wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:15 am
I don't think that's something they want on the front-page to scare people off I think.

And was just gonna say my usual about -24 having been removed days ago, but no mirror can really be that slow so I just checked and apparently Canonical re-added the kernel to the repositories, both xenial and bionic. Now I'm really confused as to what's going on over there. Why would they do that when they know it's broken?
Interesting that it's back up over there. Is it still 4.15.0.24.26 or is it some 4.15.0.24.(XX) kernel?

OH ... and speaking of scaring people off ... I thought about that too but maybe a little differently. By not recognizing the problems many are having with 24 and not saying anything ... That meant that any novice who just downloaded and installed LM19 Mate for a first time experience with LM ... AND still had default settings in Update Manager AND had downloaded and installed 24 but couldn't get it to boot ... MIGHT think Linux Mint is a POS and RUN back to Windows. I've used LM exclusively since about 2009 and haven't seen something like this until now (but have never installed every single kernel that comes out) but I kinda know the deal, ya know. Someone new to Mint and having kernel problems when they're doing everything right and everything LM update manager defaults to on install ... might get scared away.
Hi. I had this problem yesterday. I installed the new release of LM19 Cinnamon on a Dell E6230 and 4.15.0.24 was offered as an update after all the other updates. It would eventually boot but I had that feeling of being stuck for awhile. A bad feeling of disbelief that 19 was broken. I was not able to select another kernel during the booting process as I had hoped. So I did a new install again and setup timeshift. Then I tried the kernel update again. When it didn't work I used timeshift to go back. I then deselected this kernel update. It now works very well.

But given the woe, at one point I considered forgetting about 19 and reinstalling LM 18.3 on that Laptop. I guess it is always best to have a test system separate to your main computer.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by midrange » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:36 pm

Taildragger wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:04 pm
Midrange, could you show me how to do what you did? I can boot to the recovery mode, which gives options for previous kernels, but none of them will boot. Thanks.
I see someone else explained how to access grub during bootup.

What I also did was change the grub config to save which kernel I selected and use that kernel the next time I boot.

To do that, I added the following to /etc/default/grub

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GRUB_DEFAULT="saved"
GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT="true"
then I ran update-grub.

As I mentioned in my first comment, this is all very new to me (I'm coming to Linux Mint as an exile from the Windows 10 mess) so I may not have the right parms in the right config file at this point. I just went from what I learned from google searches.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by MarkFreese » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:38 pm

Question for a linux gedi master out there.....
I am running an older core 2 duo laptop, which works GREAT on linux, and I have the same problems with LM 19. If I do a clean install everything works fine. If I then use update manager and update everything then I get the black screen on bootup (although wiggling the mouse will get me past it). So after several clean installs and selectively choosing updates I find 2 possible culprits: Linuxkernel 4.15.0.23.25 and also Linux-libc-dev 4.15.0-24.26 I can install the first one and my machine behaves. The second one causes mayhem. Because these 2 may interact I can't say which has the bug, but there is certainly a bug in one of them.
My question is: Should I not install them both, or should I leave only the first one installed?

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by gm10 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:08 pm

MarkFreese wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:38 pm
Linuxkernel 4.15.0.23.25 and also Linux-libc-dev 4.15.0-24.26 I can install the first one and my machine behaves. The second one causes mayhem. Because these 2 may interact I can't say which has the bug, but there is certainly a bug in one of them.
My question is: Should I not install them both, or should I leave only the first one installed?
Update the kernel. The headers on their own wouldn't cause any trouble, more likely something like nvidia drivers that use them to compile. Might have to try a newer driver version. Otherwise just don't install the libc-dev update, it's fine.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by JoeBingo » Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:49 pm

Pretty much the same as MarkFreese. I did try a jump from the 20 kernel to the 24 kernel, bypassing the 23 kernel completely and still had boot problems. 24 acted nicer longer if I installed 23 first, but in the end, still had boot problems. I'm running a Mint Box 2 i-5 with onboard Intel graphics. No nVidia anywhere. Something just doesn't work right with 24 ... across varied hardware platforms. 23 is working okay and the kernel I'm currently using ... with fingers crossed.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by centaurusa » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:52 pm

Today's regular update which includes Linux kernel Version 4.15.0-29.31 works for my machine.

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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by J-Philippe » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:46 am

Hi friends,
Please, could you confirm that kernel 4.15.0-29.31 is safe and can be installed without problem (that could'nt solve as I am not a linux spacialist) ?
TIA
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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by kyphi » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:14 am

The 4.15.0-29 on my machine is as buggy as 4.15.0-24.

As soon as my modem/router is switched on my computer starts. That means that the Network Manager starts too early and the whole shebang needs a reboot.

Not very good. Reverting to kernel 4.15.0-23.
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Re: Kernel 4.15.0-24 won't boot passed grub - Mint 19 Mate

Post by J-Philippe » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:26 am

Thank you kyphi,
I think I'll wait far all critical install. After having blacklisted grub2-signed, I think I'll wait on or two months for any critical updates.
That is the fisrt time that I install a very early mint (but I'm on Mint for about 10 years) and, now, I regret not to have installed Mint 18.
But anyway. The most important is that I can continue to use my computer.
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