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Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:39 am

Hello fellow Minters,

I have downloaded Mint 19 Tara 64 bit and successfully made a live USB drive using Etcher. The computer I did this on boots this without problems. It is a Windows 8.1 Packard Bell EasyNote TE 64 bit (UEFI).

However taking the same stick to my older HP Pavillion 64bit, Win 7 (BIOS) I cannot get it to boot. I select the pen drive in the boot menu, the Mint logo comes up and the 10 second countdown begins, then the logo disappears, a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the top left appears for a short while before the monitor reports "No signal" and it all ends.

I have tried various USB sticks and various USB ports on the Pavillion, but the results are all as above. I have tried Etcher, UNetBootIn, Rufus, Windows 7 Image Burner and Universal-USB-Installer; all to resulting in the same outcome.

I have burned a DVD and verified it, but this gives the same results as above using the USB pen drive.

I would very much like to install LM19 but am currently stuck.

Could anyone give me some ideas, please?

Thank you.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Pierre » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:47 am

if the monitor reports "No signal" and it all ends there,
then you have a Video Card issue, and you will have to search for some solutions,
when using Linux with that video card.

so use the win-7 system to determine, what the Make & Model of that card is,
and then do a search for using an Linux System, with that card.
Image
Please edit your original post title to include [SOLVED] - when your problem is solved!
and DO LOOK at those Unanswered Topics - - you may be able to answer some!.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:02 am

Thanks, Pierre.

I should have mentioned that I do have a live USB stick with Mint 18 Serena MATE 32 bit, which my HP Pavillion (64bit, BIOS, not UEFI) - the computer in question- does boot from happily.

Would this still indicate a video problem?

Thanks for your time.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by phd21 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:42 am

HI "Starting Minter",

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

If you have an option in the HP bios for legacy boot, choose that, and retry booting. Did you read the "release notes" for Linux Mint 19? If the HP has only a 32-bit CPU, it will not boot the 64-bit versions of Linux Mint, and you will have to install a 32-bit version.

Is this Linux Mint 19 Cinnamon edition that you have been trying to boot into? You might consider trying another Linux Mint edition like "Mate" or "Xfce" and see if that works.

It would help to know more about your system setup. If you run "inxi -Fxzd" from the console terminal prompt of the any Linux Mint on the HP computer, highlight the results, copy and paste them back here, that should provide enough information.

Hope this helps ...
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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:56 pm

Hello phd21,

Thanks for your reply.

The HP Pavillion has a 64bit micro processor. I know this from what Windows 7 reports, its specs ( I bought it new) and from what I gathered using my working Mint 18 Serena MATE 32bit live stick.

The legacy boot option I will have to look into shortly. This option is not there; there is no mention of any kind of boot option. Under the BOOT menu in the BIOS there is only a boot order configuration, nothing else.

Yes, I have been trying to boot into Mint 19 Tara Cinnamon 64bit. The live stick works on another 64bit system with UEFI. Could this difference be the problem? My BIOS too old??

I will get onto "inxi -Fxzd" shorty as well.

Thanks so far.


Here's the output of > sudo inxi -Fxzd
(from HP Pavillion, using my working LM18 MATE 32bit live stick

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$ sudo inxi -Fxzd
System:    Host: mint Kernel: 4.4.0-53-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: MATE 1.16.1 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.1) Distro: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard product: HPE-495uk v: xxx0204GRxxxxxxxx0
           Mobo: MSI model: 2A9C v: 1.0 Bios: American Megatrends v: 6.12 date: 07/12/2010
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7 870 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 23409
           clock speeds: max: 2934 MHz 1: 1200 MHz 2: 1200 MHz 3: 1733 MHz 4: 1333 MHz 5: 1200 MHz
           6: 1200 MHz 7: 1200 MHz 8: 1200 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GF104 [GeForce GTX 460 OEM] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.org 1.18.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 111x36 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA GF104 High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Card-2 Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-53-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d800 bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 bus-ID: 04:00.0
           IF: wlp4s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 2016.4GB (0.1% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HDS72202 size: 2000.4GB temp: 33C
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Cruzer_Glide size: 16.0GB temp: 0C
           Optical: /dev/sr0 model: hp CDDVDW TS-H653T rev: H6D1 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw
           Features: speed: 40x multisession: yes
           audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running
Partition: ID-1: / size: 7.9G used: 54M (1%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 35.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 40.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 250 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 320.8/16164.1MB Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (sudo) inxi: 2.2.35
......

and here not using sudo:

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mint@mint ~ $ inxi -Fxzd
System:    Host: mint Kernel: 4.4.0-53-generic i686 (32 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: MATE 1.16.1 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.1)
           Distro: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard product: HPE-495uk v: xxx0204GRxxxxxxxx0
           Mobo: MSI model: 2A9C v: 1.0
           Bios: American Megatrends v: 6.12 date: 07/12/2010
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7 870 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 23409
           clock speeds: max: 2934 MHz 1: 1200 MHz 2: 1333 MHz 3: 2267 MHz
           4: 1467 MHz 5: 1200 MHz 6: 1333 MHz 7: 1200 MHz 8: 1467 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GF104 [GeForce GTX 460 OEM] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz, 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NVC4
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA GF104 High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Card-2 Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-53-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d800 bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Ralink RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
           driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 bus-ID: 04:00.0
           IF: wlp4s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 2016.4GB (0.1% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HDS72202 size: 2000.4GB temp: 24C
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Cruzer_Glide size: 16.0GB temp: 0C
           Optical: /dev/sr0 model: hp CDDVDW TS-H653T
           rev: H6D1 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw
           Features: speed: 40x multisession: yes
           audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running
Partition: ID-1: / size: 7.9G used: 67M (1%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 31.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 31.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 252 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 626.7/16164.1MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461) inxi: 2.2.35
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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by phd21 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:18 pm

Hi "Starting Minter"

You are welcome...

Please re-run and re-post the results of the "inxi -Fxzd" without using sudo (root) permission. You can update your last reply or create another...

From what I could see in your results, the Bios is from 2010, so there might be a Bios update for your computer that is worth installing.

I cannot tell from those results because you ran it as sudo, if you are using the nVidia drivers for your "GeForce GTX 460 OEM" or the default "nouveaux" video drivers, but installing the correct nVidia drivers might help once you installed Linux Mint.

NVIDIA: how to install the latest video card drivers - Easy Linux tips project
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/12


To install the nVidia video driver for your "GeForce GTX 460" card using the PPA method, open a console terminal, type in, or copy & paste, each line below one by one: Click "Select All" above command, right-click the highlighted command, select Copy or Ctrl+Insert, click in the console terminal window, and right click paste or Shift+Insert or Ctrl+Shift+v, repeat for each command. Restart your computer after installing this.

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sudo apt-get purge nvidia*

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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa

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sudo apt-get update

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sudo apt-get install nvidia-390

If for some reason the video card driver did not work, you can boot into recovery mode, select "root", enter your password, and run the first command to purge the nVidia drivers, type in "reboot", and try another nVidia driver or use the default Nouveau video drivers.

Hope this helps ...
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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:02 am

Thanks phd21!

I added the inxi without sudo to the bottom of the original output; thought I'd get more info out of inxi using sudo.

HP Pavillion BIOS update: I looked into this some time ago, around the time I signed up for this forum actually, but couldn't find one.

I appreciate your reply, but would like to make the following comments.
  • With regards to the NVidea card; it is not a recent one. I cannot get the HP booted using a live stick made with LM19 Tara Cinnamon 64bit -v2 iso - it boots on another computer. Booting the HP with LM19 I do get the green LM logo and a 10 second countdown to auto boot, so would that not indicate that graphics can be displayed? Or is some generic graphics driver used at this point in the boot process?
  • My point is that I can only get booted on the HP using LM18 Mate 32bit Cinnamon, but I reckon updating the video drivers there does not help my LM19 boot issue.
In case my HP Pavillion cannot boot a 64bit OS via USB (what's the probability?), I will try booting a live LM19 Tara 32bit Cinnamon USB stick. Results to be updated here soon.

Thanks phd21.

Best regards,
S. M.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:05 pm

OK, my boot or boot not results are:

Linux Mint 19 Tara Cinnamon 64bit does not boot via live USB (via v2 iso)

Linux Mint 19 Tara Cinnamon 32bit does not boot via live USB

Linux Mint 18 Serena Cinnamon 64bit does not boot via live USB

Linux Mint 18 Serena Cinnamon 32bit DOES boot via live USB

Linux Mint 18 Serena MATE 32bit DOES boot via live USB

That's what I've tested so far - took quite a bit of time.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:52 pm

Does anyone have any suggestions, please?

I now have LM18 Sylvia 32bit Cinnamon running, but would like to upgrade to Tara Cinnamon 64bit, so need to be able to boot like mentioned above.

Thanks for your time and help.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:42 am

Just for anyone who's looking for similar:

PCLinuxOS 2018, KDE Plasma 5.12.x, 64bit (kernel version 4.16.13-pclos1) boots from a USB stick on my HP Pavillion BIOS machine.

https://www.pclinuxos.com
KDE64 (pclinuxos64-kde5-2018.06)
Size: 1.3 GB ISO
Md5sum: 313b8bf671aae0c0149e244f02b60cde
Release Date: June 2018
Produced by: Texstar
User Level: Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced

Thanks to someone on Distrowatch.com.

I will stick with Linux Mint whenever and wherever I can; I just needed a 64bit Linux that would boot on my PC.

I'm still replying to another thread I posted and might be able to get back to Mint 19 64bit a bit later.

Thank you all.

S.M.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by MrEen » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:47 am

Hi Starting Minter.

Go to this page and scroll down to Solving freezes during the boot sequence.

There's a decent chance that will fix your issue, but the age of your hardware still might prevent it for 19. If so, those instructions should work on any from the 18 series.

Good luck.

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Re: Older BIOS computer not booting Mint 19 Tara 64 bit from Live USB

Post by Starting Minter » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:46 am

Thanks MrEen, I'll read that part.

S.M.

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