[SOLVED] Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

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[SOLVED] Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by TNorth » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:58 pm

Hello,

I have been rereading pbear's tutorial on Full Install to USB Drive: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=287353 and had a question about exactly what kind of drive would be best for this type of install.

In it he says
I strongly recommend a USB hard drive (SSD or HDD). It will last much longer than a flash drive, give better performance and, of course, have much more space.
I had originally thought this meant a USB thumb drive, but after rereading, I see that perhaps that is not correct.

I am currently running Linux Mint 19.1 from a 64GB 3.1 San Disk USB Ultra Fit thumb drive connected through a powered 3.0 USB hub to my one USB 3.0 port. It runs fine – fast and no issues so far. However, I am hoping to use this set up on a permanent basis and from a reread of that tutorial, using a thumb drive is not really a long-term solution.

So - what exactly is a "USB hard drive - is it an external drive that connects via a USB port like this one: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07CRG94G3/ ... _lig_dp_it

Or is there a kind of USB stick that is not a thumb drive, but an actual hard drive? Like this: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDCZ880- ... b750a779e8

I am hoping to find a permanent solution that does not involve a dual boot - but is a full install on the proper type of USB drive.

Thanks for clarification.
TN
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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by athi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:16 pm

The link is to a portable (USB bus powered) HDD, which will work for a portable installation of Mint. Issue is these are spinning HDD and would not take well to vibration or shock during operation and would require more care. Now you have the option of bus powered external SSD drive or external NVMe drive enclosure with NVMe drive inside, which are even faster than SSD.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ssd+external ... b_ss_i_1_9
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=nvme+enclosu ... b_ss_i_1_7
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=nvme+drive&c ... _ss_i_1_10
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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by Spearmint2 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:27 pm

he means something like these USB enclosed cases with an SSD in them.

https://www.deskdecode.com/top-best-ssd ... y-updated/

more expensive to use, limited to USB speed anyway.

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/me ... pa1t0g-ww/

If you were happy with a USB flashdrive, but just want it bigger, then why not get a larger one and still be happy?

256GB Samsung metal flash drive for $42, free shipping. I have a couple 64GB size, run 19.2 mint on one, fast enough.

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/me ... 256be3-am/
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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by athi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:35 pm

Limitation of USB drives are the controllers, the better drives have better controllers but still fall behind the external SATA SSD/HDD which uses SATA controller. SATA and first gen. USB3 is a good match. External NVMe enclosure uses NVMe controllers which are even faster than SATA and can make better use of USB3.1 and later.
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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by catweazel » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:36 pm

TNorth wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:58 pm
... from a reread of that tutorial, using a thumb drive is not really a long-term solution.
The problem is that the cheaper flash drives don't last all that long when there's an OS installed on them. They have a limited write cycle.
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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by blueocean » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:43 pm

He means a portable USB hard drive. My favorite: Silicon Power Military-Shockproof-Portable Hard Drive available on Amazon.
Here's my take. If you already have it installed and working, use it. Flash drive like you are using may well run for years. If you do a lot of writing to it, sure it will wear out, but likely will surprise you at its durability. I'm not a big fan of any kind of USB installs. I much prefer the performance of SSD or Firecuda 7200 RPM Hybrid Drives. I have one desktop and use ICY-Dock swappable drive enclosure.
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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by Larry78723 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:50 pm

I use a bootable 1TB external SSD on one of my machines. Works like a charm. The trick is to make sure that USB is first in the boot list. I have several older distros loaded on it.
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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by TNorth » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:11 pm

Thanks everyone!
Spearmint2 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:27 pm

If you were happy with a USB flashdrive, but just want it bigger, then why not get a larger one and still be happy?

256GB Samsung metal flash drive for $42, free shipping. I have a couple 64GB size, run 19.2 mint on one, fast enough.

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/me ... 256be3-am/
Indeed - I thought I was happy till I reread and started to wonder about the drive I am using - LOL!
Larry78723 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:50 pm
I use a bootable 1TB external SSD on one of my machines. Works like a charm. The trick is to make sure that USB is first in the boot list. I have several older distros loaded on it.
I'm not sure that I want an actual external drive - but it is something to consider if I decide I am going to redo the install.
blueocean wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:43 pm
He means a portable USB hard drive. My favorite: Silicon Power Military-Shockproof-Portable Hard Drive available on Amazon.
Here's my take. If you already have it installed and working, use it. Flash drive like you are using may well run for years. If you do a lot of writing to it, sure it will wear out, but likely will surprise you at its durability. I'm not a big fan of any kind of USB installs. I much prefer the performance of SSD or Firecuda 7200 RPM Hybrid Drives. I have one desktop and use ICY-Dock swappable drive enclosure.
Yes, I may just do that - or look into a larger drive that is similar to the one I am using.

Thanks to everyone for the advice - much appreciated! I thought I knew what I was doing, but I had doubts after rereading the tutorial. I do like the way the full install works - I guess it is just a matter of figuring out what kind of drive I want to end up with eventually.

Thanks again!
TN

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Re: Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by Larry78723 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:41 pm

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Re: [SOLVED] Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by pbear » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:38 pm

Just to confirm, yeah, what everyone said. :)
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Re: [SOLVED] Clarification of "USB Hard Drive"

Post by TNorth » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:45 am

Thanks! :-)

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